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I've noticed a lot of posts asking how we're going to vote, and people coming in trying to shame people for not voting for Biden, or any candidate in the general election at all.

So I'm curious and, asking in good faith, want to know - what will make you stop voting for Biden?

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Isn't AOC pro-Israel here? She's been recuperated even more than Sanders, and Sanders won't even call for a ceasefire.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Sure, but in the absence of a revolutionary movement, AOC is still the best shot America has in terms of moving closer towards socialism. Please don’t tell me an AOC presidency is not at least 100 times better than the most “moderate” Republican candidate.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

AOC is still the best shot America has in terms of moving closer towards socialism.

what the fuck, lmao

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Seriously. What has AOC ever actually done. She's not even pretending to be progressive anymore she's clearly just angling to be this generations Pelosi.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

AOC couldn't even do the bare-ass minimum and just support the rail unions, an act that would not have killed Biden's anti-labour bill. She couldn't even pull a basic symbolic act in solidarity! It's mind-boggling to see someone here buying into her obvious bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Literally the hardest decision she makes is if she's going to look sad or stoic while voting for exactly what the DNC tells her to.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I guess it's obviously working if there are self-described leftists on hexbear who still believe she's gonna move anything towards socialism internet-delenda-est

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

To their defense, socialism is when the government acts like it really wants to do stuff but is hamstrung by procedural issues.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

stupid parmesantarian

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago

Your claim is wrong because the chance of AOC moving the US towards socialism is 0, exactly the same as Biden or Trump. The US is fundamentally undemocratic. I can see the argument for a Dem presidency (particularly for the climate) but positioning it as somehow revolutionary instead of just voting for PSL, CPUSA, or even the Greens seems unjustifiable to me.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

real "oh ...you're serious?!" hours lmfao

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Would you also say she's doing what the union wants?

Do you disagree?