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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (6 children)

In France, I understood the fight against climate change is probably already over when we had 40Β°C at midnight one day of the previous summer.

It's an eary feeling to feel ultra hot air in the middle of the night coming from an opened window.

Not saying I'm not trying to act against climate change on my level but I know we already lost.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

No, there is no upper limit to suffering.

If one person has been killed in a fire, that's bad. If the fire killed two people, that's worse. If it killed 100 people, that's even worse.

There is no magical point where you say "Oh, there are 42 people that we could rescue, but we won't, because 600 people have been killed already and that somehow makes the rescue pointless".

If we can reduce suffering by just a bit, and delay the worst just a bit, then it's worth it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well it could be 45 at night. And it will be if wr dont tackle climate change quickly

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Are we tackling anything in the last decade ?

Do people look at the ever increasing graph of CO2 emissions worldwide ?

It increased last year. It will increase this year.

Let's do our best to delay it but it's happening people.

Our politics are all cowards no matter the country.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Are we tackling anything in the last decade ?

If you e.g. look at power generation, then yes, that is being tackled. Incrementally and against a lot of resistance, from conservatives, fossil industries, nimbys, etc. Build-out rates for solar and wind worldwide are getting better. The last decade was not completely lost, it helped make these technologies cheaper and more scalable.

Do people look at the ever increasing graph of CO2 emissions worldwide ?

It is true, they do. And at face value, those rising emissions wouldn't be necessary, if climate change was given appropriate priority.

But we also have realistic projections that emissions will start falling before 2030.

Let's do our best to delay it but it's happening people.

Climate change is not binary. Rather there's a spectrum of outcomes. Of course climate change is happening and of course, the 1.5Β°C goal is unrealistic now (because we're basically there already we just can't say for sure yet). But it does matter that we do not make climate change even worse than it needs to be.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

It's definitely not late but it sure feels hopeless...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I don’t agree.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Be careful with that statement because that's what Oil is pushing now:

  • They changed the "climate change ain't real" to the "climate change ain't bad" and later into the "it's too late, let's enjoy it while it lasts" message.

The goal is ensuring people do not require action from their political representatives, be it by ignorance or by resigning.

The other prong of attack is blaming consumers/individuals. This is useful for them as it keeps those that want action busy (recycling, planting trees, using bikes, buying EVs or using trains, avoiding plastic, etc.) and shifts blame on to the rest.
Not that any of those actions are bad, but aren't at the core of the problem, like blaming someone for wasting water for taking a shower while you have an olympic pool.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220504-why-the-wrong-people-are-blamed-for-climate-change
https://www.yesmagazine.org/environment/2022/01/31/climate-change-fossil-fuel-industry-individual-responsibility
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