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I'm not challenging or condemning your position on "morals" there as much as I'm saying that summarizing all ethical/moral concepts into a single crude word like "morals" does arguments both for and against them a disservice.
Language changes and all that, and I know that and know it happens whether I like it or not, but I see it as a bad sign that it's getting a bit harder for many people to even conceptualize some what they're against... or even what they're for.
That's all I was getting at in this thread.
For all you said that you might think you'd seen as unethical/immoral, you also stated:
To me, that means that you do have some ethical framework that I can vibe with, even if you don't necessarily have the fancier terminology on hand to describe where you stand.
My issue with many in the "morals don't real" crowd is where essentialist/eliminativist arguments are made, under pretenses of leftism or progress or even just raw scientism, that then dive deep into Nick Land territory where the only sensible outcome is atrocities for profit because at least there's some materialist clarity to them even if it only benefits the rich.
My point of contention and the point of this thread is when all such discussion, that you just mentioned, gets crudely and roughly packaged as "morals." This can be done to dismiss all such discussions (which does class struggle as a leftist concept a gross, treacherous disservice. Why stand for anything as leftists if we can't even stand for that?) or it can be used to weaponize them into a crude superiority currency where chuds say they have "morals" and we (slurs here) leftists don't.
Without the blocks of TL;DR links, I'll say that you seem to have a cool and good ethical foundation already because you see the class struggle inherent to our system and value people over codified (and easily exploited by those with means) codes of conduct that typically say it's always wrong to use violence against violent threats (and what is a police force, or a military, but a legalized monopoly on violence?).
I'm not even trying to go that hard against moral relativism (outside of a mandatory dunk on liberal treatbrains that use the concept to justify atrocities worldwide because morals don't real and those primitives have mud huts standing in the way of lithium treats) as much as I really, really dislike the sloppy catch-all packaging of "morals" to summarize complex and nuanced concepts in a way that removes most of the aforementioned complexity and nuance from them.