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People say that but it would help if they mention things to actually do.
Went vegan. Got 35 solar cells. Replaced lawn with native plants. Work from home. Spending a lot of time advocating online and to friends and family. Raising kids as environmentalists.
And you and kids are still gonna die from the effects of climate change and the collapse of society because a handful of billionaires and corporations only care about making more money next quarter in spite of every single other human being on the planet.
And also because of the billions of individuals such as yourself that decided it was hopeless.
THanks
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/27/climate-crisis-villains-americas-dirty-dozen I mean, ... the current profiteers which steer society into collapse have names.
What I notice is a lot of petrochemical companies, conglomerates, politicians and attorneys. And Facebook.Our best bet would be to steer clear of those, or at least as much as possible.
I have personally switched to a cleaner car (no electric since I cannot yet afford them), walk and cycle more often, no longer buy Unilever or Nestle products (though that's more of a moral reason) and am even stricter with my energy consumption. I try to use most of my belongings as long as possible (unless they consume a lot of power) and try to repair everything until it is so broken and worn out that I have to replace it. Which I will replace it with something of a good quality that will last many years and preferably made locally, always trying to prevent buying from Chinese companies. My landlord (it's a company but I can't think of the word for it) has installed solar panels on my home 4 years ago and I am using LED lights and have replaced all CRT tv's/monitors with LCD. Built newer computers with lower energy CPU's. Lights that are frequently used have been put on a timer or sensor so they are automatically switched off. Other lights are turned off when leaving the room. I have switched to an electrical stove to prevent the need for fracking gas and earthquakes caused by natural gas pumping. Oh and my gardens mostly consist of grass and plants.
I think that's about it.
Going vegan is according to the IPCC the single biggest step a individual can take. This does not take anything away from other actions we can simultaneous pursue. Veganism is growing and has despite being a small percentage of the population the potential for a change.
And it'd probably be a lot more convincing if my experience with vegans outside the past year or so weren't composed entirely of people pushing it on the basis of "killing animals is wrong."
Its a multitude of reasons for people to go vegan: The animals, their own health, the probability of not creating a living hell on earth. The reason why vegans try to convince others is often because after a few years most are so disconnected from the killing of others for taste where it is a giant argument. The suffering and abuse of 90 billion sentient land animals per year alone is for most good enough to stop supporting it. I have surrendered that argument for most discussions because it is hard to have that empathy while it is a part in your live. It wasn't for me, although is was not challenged in that view back then. So now my arguments moved more towards egoism which sometimes works.
i'm sure that's not true.
edit: i was right.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/31/avoiding-meat-and-dairy-is-single-biggest-way-to-reduce-your-impact-on-earth
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aba7357
E: Mind you, some of these numbers are already a few years old where there was no progress.
so... not the ipcc, but a fluff piece in the guardian.
Ah, is you again. ever concidered to go back to r/antivegan?
have you ever considered just sticking to thefacts instead of stretching the truth?
Have you ever considered giving a statement and proof?
https://www.ipcc.ch/srccl/chapter/chapter-5/
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/2346326
that doesn't actually say what you said it says. are you just searching IPCC and vegan and hoping to get something good?
I can't prove a negative. it est, it can't prove the ipccc didn't say what you claimed. I can only demand proof that they did say what you claimed. a claim made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
I understand the "tickle the vegans" for human interactions because of the hole "no friends" thing you got going on, but you have to get better material. Try "plants have feelings too" that way you can at least get some articles to reinforce your standpoint. If you continue every vegan arguing against you will seem calm and reasonable compared to you. I have read the papers, and the people who wrote it say what I posted. You make even antivegans look worse which is not a problem for me but its not good for your cause.
my only "cause" is to engage on a topic i find interesting and keep the discussion honest. your assumptions about my motives are simply wrong. i'm not even anti-vegan.
You are a pigeon who looks always looks for the same board to run over, get better material.
this is just a personal attack. it doesn't undermine my position at all.
i have read these papers too. i thought maybe you would have something i haven't read. turns out you just can't keep to the facts and insist on embellishing.
nice edit: appeals to authority are not sufficient evidence of the truth of the matter.
oof. maybe you shouldn't use that link:
looks like flexitarian is the actual recommendation, but it's not even clear whether that's a good recommendation since food is only one of the outputs of animal agriculture including ruminants.
Do you need it in your native language or do you have problems reading?
meat reduction is main option to reduce GHG and pressure on land. It will be difficult to decrease (because of boneheads like you)
is about vegetables and that transport is not such a huge part of the chain
efficiency lowers GHG even more and import is sometimes better
dietary change can reduce the chance of warming to less than 2°C which is the path we are on with animal industry.
Maybe try to first form a argument instead of mindlessly posting parts that argue for my position.
someone is having problems with reading comprehension, but it's not me.
calling me a bonehead doesn't change what the ipcc says
that is not supported by any of the sources you linked.
It is supported by the very same text you posted.
Their calculations include animal products because they account for dense people like you for some time.
Get a live
calling me dense doesn't change what the ipcc actually said. you should stop exaggerating: it's bad for your case when people find out you're lying to them.
no. i don't have an argument. i have problems with your argument.
Counterpoint, eating a single billionaire would do more to reduce emissions than lifetime of veganism.