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[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Don't just wait passively for it, take action. Everyone can contribute and together we will achieve big things. If we all work together the collapse is not just a dream.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Dont use plastic straws, drive public transport or bike, buy bio food, donate to orgs, glue yourself to the street

and maybe... just maybe... you will change fuck all

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Plastic straws have almost zero to none impact on climate change. It is one of the biggest virtue signaling campaings that managed to scam shit ton of gullible people. Climate change is a never ending process, those who can alter the process have way bigger means to affect it than you and me. Regulate the companies, end the "too big to fail" market monopoly, tax the shit out of billioners. Dont fall to their diversion strategy that we are to blame for any of this shit.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I love how McDonald's went from paper cups/plastic straws to plastic cups/paper straws in my area.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Mine stopped using straws for a bit and gave a special lid that made it easier to sip your soda. That didn't last long, we are now back to plastic cups and plastic straws.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It wasn't about climate change, it was about plastic waste giving turtles straws up their nostrils.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

And they still eat floating plastic that they mistake for jellyfish.

No the straw thing was about a cute kid making a science fair project about "The Dangers of Straws!" With all the thought an elementary school student could offer to the conversation that was latched onto by the media to fill a time slot and get more media buzz.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Not only did it do fuck all to help, it was also really annoying.

Likely on purpose to make people not want to help the environment at all if it means having soggy paper in your drinks.

The paper straws couldn't even be recycled.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Not defending paper straws specifically but recycling is a scam. Anything common household material that is not plastic is inherently better than plastic from an environmental standpoint.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

They're compostable/biodegradable. I think the point was to reduce the affect of litter. Some municipalities give you an organic bin that's collected, composted, then sold.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago (3 children)

... did everyone misread your comment or am I crazy? I have faith that we can make horrible climate change a reality if we just put our minds to it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nuclear Posadism is so Cold War. We need a new apocalyptic accelerationism.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

Apocalyptic accelerationism from home. Learn these 5 easy steps how YOU! can increase your contribution to annihilation.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Some sure did, but I don't mind it :)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Some only read the first part, some appreciated the dark humor.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean we kinda can't unless we convince billionaires to making money.

That seems to me the crux of the issue.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Veganism is the movement which has the highest potential to change society and is a huge impact on the environment. (IPCC: biggest single step one can take / even without fossile fuels our current food system will still contribute with +2°C to global warming)

And it does not take away from any other activity we should pursue in the fight for climate, while ending support for some billionaires like Wesley Batista

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If we all work together the collapse is not just a dream.

Hoping to speed up the collapse I see lol.

I drive a hybrid.

I recycle everything I can.

I pickup litter.

I try to be as power efficient as possible.

I'm not a vegetarian but I don't eat meat everyday.

Plus, I post memes that stimulate conversation like this!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I am vegan since 5 years, before I was (don't judge me, or do- its deserved) 10 years vegetarian. Since ~15 years? PV on my roof which feed into the grid many times more power than I used I rarely travel, not one flight. I advocate and work towards a sustainable future. Demonstrations and some political work. Go on, check my my posts and judge for yourself if I was maybe sarcastic?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

I just assumed you were joking. Good job on all you do!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So long as we're pushing for systemic change - we don't dig ourselves out of this by "just taking personal responsibility" harder.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

TBF, I can't argue with that, but when we look at where the issue lays, it's clear which we should prioritise. Just talking personal responsibility harder also doesn't do much about the rest of your country, let alone the world.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What are countries and the world but a large group of individuals

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Groups of people and organisations that submit to the power of a government that sets the rules for that group of people.

Change the rules, change the behaviour for the large group of individuals and the companies doing the lions share of the damage.

Change your behaviour, change the behaviour of one individual.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Sure. Change your own scope that you control, and simultaneously work to change the system. But there is more than one system. Not just government systems. But also mental/social systems, for instance the meme that individual actions don't amount to much. Imagine if everyone started believing their individual actions mattered.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (16 children)

Agreed with the caveat that compared to corporate contributions, individual contribution (within reason) is near irrelevant.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

People say that but it would help if they mention things to actually do.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Went vegan. Got 35 solar cells. Replaced lawn with native plants. Work from home. Spending a lot of time advocating online and to friends and family. Raising kids as environmentalists.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

And you and kids are still gonna die from the effects of climate change and the collapse of society because a handful of billionaires and corporations only care about making more money next quarter in spite of every single other human being on the planet.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

What I notice is a lot of petrochemical companies, conglomerates, politicians and attorneys. And Facebook.Our best bet would be to steer clear of those, or at least as much as possible.

I have personally switched to a cleaner car (no electric since I cannot yet afford them), walk and cycle more often, no longer buy Unilever or Nestle products (though that's more of a moral reason) and am even stricter with my energy consumption. I try to use most of my belongings as long as possible (unless they consume a lot of power) and try to repair everything until it is so broken and worn out that I have to replace it. Which I will replace it with something of a good quality that will last many years and preferably made locally, always trying to prevent buying from Chinese companies. My landlord (it's a company but I can't think of the word for it) has installed solar panels on my home 4 years ago and I am using LED lights and have replaced all CRT tv's/monitors with LCD. Built newer computers with lower energy CPU's. Lights that are frequently used have been put on a timer or sensor so they are automatically switched off. Other lights are turned off when leaving the room. I have switched to an electrical stove to prevent the need for fracking gas and earthquakes caused by natural gas pumping. Oh and my gardens mostly consist of grass and plants.

I think that's about it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Going vegan is according to the IPCC the single biggest step a individual can take. This does not take anything away from other actions we can simultaneous pursue. Veganism is growing and has despite being a small percentage of the population the potential for a change.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And it'd probably be a lot more convincing if my experience with vegans outside the past year or so weren't composed entirely of people pushing it on the basis of "killing animals is wrong."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Its a multitude of reasons for people to go vegan: The animals, their own health, the probability of not creating a living hell on earth. The reason why vegans try to convince others is often because after a few years most are so disconnected from the killing of others for taste where it is a giant argument. The suffering and abuse of 90 billion sentient land animals per year alone is for most good enough to stop supporting it. I have surrendered that argument for most discussions because it is hard to have that empathy while it is a part in your live. It wasn't for me, although is was not challenged in that view back then. So now my arguments moved more towards egoism which sometimes works.

[–] commie 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Going vegan is according to the IPCC the single biggest step a individual can take.

i'm sure that's not true.

edit: i was right.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/31/avoiding-meat-and-dairy-is-single-biggest-way-to-reduce-your-impact-on-earth

Avoiding meat and dairy products is the single biggest way to reduce your environmental impact on the planet, according to the scientists behind the most comprehensive analysis to date of the damage farming does to the planet.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aba7357

We show that even if fossil fuel emissions were immediately halted, current trends in global food systems would prevent the achievement of the 1.5°C target and, by the end of the century, threaten the achievement of the 2°C target

E: Mind you, some of these numbers are already a few years old where there was no progress.

[–] commie 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

so... not the ipcc, but a fluff piece in the guardian.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ah, is you again. ever concidered to go back to r/antivegan?

[–] commie 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

have you ever considered just sticking to thefacts instead of stretching the truth?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)
[–] commie 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

oof. maybe you shouldn't use that link:

Both reducing ruminant meat consumption and increasing its efficiency are often identified as the main options to reduce GHG emissions (GHGE) and to lessen pressure on land (Westhoek et al. 2014) (see Section 5.6 for synergies and trade-offs with health and Section 5.7 for discussion of Just Transitions). However, analysing ruminant meat production is highly complex because of the extreme heterogeneity of production systems and due to the numerous products and services associated with ruminants (Gerber et al. 2015893 ). See Supplementary Material Section SM5.5 for further discussion of uncertainties in estimates of livestock mitigation technical potential. Further, current market mechanisms are regarded as insufficient to decrease consumption or increase efficiency, and governmental intervention is often suggested to encourage mitigation in both the supply-side and demand-side of the food system (Section 5.7) (Wirsenius et al. 2011894 ; Henderson et al. 2018895 ).

Encouraging consumption of locally produced food and enhancing efficiency of food processing and transportation can, in some cases, minimise food loss, contribute to food security, and reduce GHG emissions associated with energy consumption and food loss. For example, Michalský and Hooda (2015)938 , through a quantitative assessment of GHG emissions of selected fruits and vegetables in the UK, reported that increased local production offers considerable emissions savings. They also highlighted that when imports are necessary, importing from Europe instead of the Global South can contribute to considerable GHG emissions savings. Similar results were found by Audsley et al. (2010)939 , with exceptions for some foods, such as tomatoes, peppers or sheep and goat meat. Similarly, a study in India shows that long and fragmented supply chains, which lead to disrupted price signals, unequal power relations perverse incentives and long transport time, could be a key barrier to reducing post-harvest losses (CIPHET 2007940 ).

In summary, consuming locally grown foods can reduce GHG emissions, if they are grown efficiently (high confidence). The emissions reduction potential varies by region and season. Whether food with shorter supply chains has a lower carbon footprint depends on both the on-farm emissions intensity as well as the transport emissions. In some cases, imported food may have a lower carbon footprint because some distant agricultural regions can produce food at lower emissions intensities.

Springmann et al.(2018a) modelled the role of technology, waste reduction and dietary change in living within planetary boundaries (Rockström et al. 20091044 ), with the climate change boundary being a 66% chance of limiting warming to less than 2°C. They found that all are necessary for the achievement of a sustainable food system. Their principal conclusion is that only by adopting a ‘flexitarian diet’, as a global average, would climate change be limited to under two degrees. Their definition of a flexitarian diet is fruits and vegetables, plant-based proteins, modest amounts of animal-based proteins, and limited amounts of red meat, refined sugar, saturated fats, and starchy foods.

looks like flexitarian is the actual recommendation, but it's not even clear whether that's a good recommendation since food is only one of the outputs of animal agriculture including ruminants.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Do you need it in your native language or do you have problems reading?

  • meat reduction is main option to reduce GHG and pressure on land. It will be difficult to decrease (because of boneheads like you)

  • is about vegetables and that transport is not such a huge part of the chain

  • efficiency lowers GHG even more and import is sometimes better

  • dietary change can reduce the chance of warming to less than 2°C which is the path we are on with animal industry.

Maybe try to first form a argument instead of mindlessly posting parts that argue for my position.

[–] commie 1 points 2 years ago

mindlessly posting parts that argue for my position.

someone is having problems with reading comprehension, but it's not me.

[–] commie 1 points 2 years ago

calling me a bonehead doesn't change what the ipcc says

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[–] commie 1 points 2 years ago

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/2346326

that doesn't actually say what you said it says. are you just searching IPCC and vegan and hoping to get something good?

[–] commie 1 points 2 years ago (6 children)

I can't prove a negative. it est, it can't prove the ipccc didn't say what you claimed. I can only demand proof that they did say what you claimed. a claim made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

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