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Using Clouds for too long might have made you incompetent (loudwhisper.me)

submitted 1 day ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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My take on how a decade (or more) of using cloud services for everything has seemingly deskilled the workforce.

Just recently I found myself interviewing senior security engineers just to realize that in many cases they had absolutely no idea about how the stuff they supposedly worked with, actually worked.

This all made me wonder, is it possible that over-reliance on cloud services for everything has massively deskilled the engineering workforce? And if it is so, who is going to be the European clouds, so necessary for EU's digital sovereignty?

I did not copy-paste the post in here because of the different writing style, but I get no benefit whatsoever from website visits.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The main factor, IMO, is that everyone wants good engineers but good engineers don't change jobs that often.

Meaning most of the candidates you interview will suck in one way or another.

And everyone calls themselves "senior" nowadays.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago

I think 4 years experience gets the "Senior" title in our company now. I can understand having 3 years experience and being frustrated when you can see how much better you are at your job than your "more senior" middle managers, but... there are plenty of things that you continue to learn in your first 10-20 years of experience, and having diversity of experience brings even more value that's rarely acknowledged in any ranking scales - actually the ranking scales usually reward stay-put loyalty over diverse in depth experience, and that's just backwards in my experience. Although, I have also known plenty of "job hoppers" who got around from place to place every year or two and it was clear after working with them that was because they didn't really contribute adequate value anywhere they went.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Everyone calls themselves senior because that's the only type of position recruiters look for.

I'm a mid level dev, but I'm encouraged by recruiters to apply for senior positions because their clients are actually looking for a range of levels

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago

Yeah, that's true, everyone thinks they want a senior where usually someone who's not a straight up junior is more than enough. And a fast learning and motivated junior is the best you can get, IMO, though those are pretty rare as well.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 21 hours ago

Exactly. We don't hire "junior" positions, because all the midlevels are juniors, all seniors are mid-level, and seniors don't apply. I'm a senior and a recruiter found me, I didn't apply (at least not to this company).