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I think if you ignore the intention of the manufacturer for a moment and focus on the acts of the individual, they'll seem closer.
Both cars and guns are dangerous devices. Both can be used for intentional murder.
Both guns and cars are so dangerous that they should not ever be used carelessly. In fact, it would be the height of recklessness to use either one without constant vigilance. You could easily kill somebody.
But with guns, people generally accept that there is a wrong way to use them, and that it's your fault if you don't have trigger discipline, or if you ever point the barrel at someone without thinking.
On the other hand, the same cannot be said about cars. Just look how people react when you mention defensive driving, a system of disciplines that make driving safer for both the driver and anyone else near the road.
People are so used to getting away with driving poorly that they are willing to accept deaths rather than even hearing about safer driving habits.
Stairs might be pretty close to the same danger level as cars. If you consider how many people don't live or work in a 2 plus story building, maybe more so compared to cars.
"Approximately one million people in the U.S. are injured on stairs each year, making stair-related accidents the second leading cause of accidental injury. These injuries result in over $90 billion in direct and indirect costs annually, according to a study published in the American Journal of Emergency Medicine. Here's a more detailed breakdown: Number of Injuries: Over 1 million people are injured annually due to falls on stairs. Leading Cause of Injury: Stairway accidents are the second leading cause of accidental injury, behind motor vehicle accidents. Fatalities: Approximately 12,000 deaths result from stairway accidents each year."
Stairs are dangerous, yes, but if you push someone down the stairs, it still counts as murder. What you're saying has nothing to do with the topic.
Are you intentionally trying to defend cars in the fuck cars community?
No I'm saying accident vs non accident is a huge difference.
But cars are used by licensed individuals who meet some minimum skill requirement. Most accidents are caused by reckless behavior from a person who is an adult who has been trained not to drive that way and who understands that other people would say that they are doing something wrong.
There is a huge gulf between a car accident and a stair accident. Far less of a gulf between cars and guns.
Are you afraid of a little discussion about cars in the fuck cars community? Do you want an echo chamber or a forum?
Is this a serious question? You're in a place called "fuck cars".
Edit: You can tell from their response that this is as far as they read.
Here is the description from the sidebar:
It's not about being "afraid of a little discussion". It's about being able to read the room. The basis for this forum is that cars are "bad". If you want to defend cars, you're in the wrong place. People here have already decided that cars are bad enough that they say "fuck cars."
If you go into the "Science" community and want to post to defend astrology, and somebody says, "Really? You're going to defend astrology in a science community?" it's not an issue of being "afraid of a little discussion" or of it being "an echo chamber". It's that everybody there has decided that astrology is not worth defending in that place.
You could have just responded with "echo chamber".
I think he's saying we need a fuckstairs forum.
Sorry, you were looking for fuckcars@lemmynsfw, this is [email protected]
Easy mistake.