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A nightmare for the grandchildren who will lose limbs and lives over this primitive, abhorrent practice.
It's that or being forced to meat-wave assault by the Russian empirialistic war-machine. Truly a shitty situation all-around
The "Russian Human Wave" narrative is based on Nazi propaganda from World War II, trying to draw a racist connection between the asiatic Russians and the Mongols, the idea of the "Mongol Horde." Neither the Red Army during World War II nor the modern Russian Federation use human wave tactics, the closest was the Tsarist army pre-Socialism.
Further, Russia is not trying to endlessly expand, they are trying to fully de-millitarize Ukraine as Ukraine was cozying up to NATO, and NATO promised long ago that it wouldn't expand eastward yet it has consistently done so over the last few decades, forming millitant encirclement of Russia by hostile countries that want Russia to open up its capital markets for foreign plundering. Further, the nationalist government of Ukraine was shelling ethnic Russians in Donetsk and Luhansk, both of which declared independence from Ukraine before Russia invaded.
Regardless of the morality of Russia going to war with Ukraine, there is no evidence that the RF is seeking to expand westward. This is just Red Scare 2.0 nonsense.
You can't suggest that the Russian military is capable of using modern troop mobilization strategies. Or that mass media to the contrary might be a part of a racialized propaganda campaign to dehumanize conscripts in the opposition. Or that the Russians (who are curiously still closely aligned with the Saudis, the Israelis, the Indians, and a patchwork of far-right factions across Europe and Africa) aren't a distinct uniquely horrible imperialist faction that good liberal Europeans need to use all military options to obliterate at any cost.
Only a Russian bot or a paid shill or a Tankie idiot would make such a claim. Why, when I read a post like this, I question whether it could even be produced by a human at all. It must be the viewpoint from the deepest bowls of the Nine Hells.
It's weird to see NATO expand eastward for forty years, slowly gobbling up ex-Soviet states and replacing them with right-wing oligarchies and reactionary-lead business cartels. And then hearing how Russia is the expansionary power.
Weirder still to see the US bomb its way into Iraq, Afghanistan, and the length of North Africa, only to be told that armed opposition groups and disaffected insurgents are the product of Russian disinformation and imperialism.
If the US were to re-invade Vietnam, I genuinely do not know if folks on this sub would understand that the Vietcong and the Northern Vietnamese military were fighting for their independence and not some cat's-paw of Evil Internationalist Socialism seeking to rapaciously colonize the native peoples of the French Catholic South.
Russians moving in a single-file line doesn't mean "human wave tactics" are at play. Further, maintaining a "gore folder" is highly disgusting behavior, holy shit.
Troop movements. "Human wave" tactics fell oit of fashion under the Tsar, because they are utterly ineffective, yet the slavic Russians continually get slandered as such due to the persistance of Nazi propaganda against the Red Army among western countries, who dug that back up during the cold war uncritically against the Soviets, until it's now associated with Russians like it's a genetic factor.
Small context addition for the tsarist human waves, all other armies used it too in that times, just read what massacres Douglas Haig or earlier Frederic the Great ordered.
Thanks for the context, that helps a good bit.
Wtf? It wasn't even gore? Just proof of huge russian column being attacked by drones
Sure, Ukraine uses drones, as does Russia, and Russia indeed has troops. This is not the same as "human waves," the post-war Nazi cope for why the Nazis lost Stalingrad despite the Red Army using advanced (at the time) tactics to draw comparison to the "mongol hordes" due to the asiatic Russian ethnicity. This "human waves" myth perpetuates to this day because western powers repeated it enough times to pretend it's true, and somehow persists to this day despite the laws of the battlefield changing radically since the 1800s when such tactics did exist in some degree.