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Let's see if this finally gets people to switch. Remember to warn them about Telegram (not private and not EU friendly).

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[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Everyone should use Matrix instead!

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Matrix sucks! At least suggest something that has even half the features a modern Messenger needs and not this buggy hell of a protocoll with the usability of an airplane cockpit!

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

What, in your opinion, is the best protocol then? I want something that is decentralized, but also really user-friendly, with mobile apps on both android and IOS. The apps UI should not look outdated, and it would be great if it supports voice and video chat. It should of course also be secure.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I guess you're out of luck then. I'm not aware of a single usable decentralized Messenger.

~~Slack kind of works I guess~~. (nvmd, Slack nowadays is clozd only) But other than that it's just a bunch of hobby projects held together by enthusiasm and luck.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Would you mind linking this please? Iโ€™ve been looking for a WhatsApp replacement, EU based ideally, any other options you know of?

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 11 hours ago

Fluffy Chat

Matrix Protocol

Matrix Official Website

Matrix is a secure decentralized protocol that has third-party apps.

You can try out the instances: Tchncs.de ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช and Tedomum.net ๐Ÿ‡ซ๐Ÿ‡ท

The sidebar has more options for you to check out.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

If you want a EU-based messenger I suggest Threema. The key-management aspect of it is kind of annoying, but it's still leagues better than Matrix in terms of feature completenes, usability and just general polish.

Matrix in its current state is a toy for nerds who are ready to dive into the jankiness and can spare the time to fix their broken messenger every once in a while. Amd the best part is, Matrix itself isn't even usable. It has no UI, it's just the protocoll. So you need some third party app to be able to even use it. And not a single one of these apps implements all of the features of the protocoll.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 52 minutes ago) (1 children)

Realistically, the majority of people will not switch to threema @ โ‚ฌ5.99. It's already extremely difficult to get people to leave WhatsApp. They're not going to pay for it.

https://european-alternatives.eu/category/instant-messaging-apps

Signal isn't EU based, but afaik not profiteering or harvesting data.

EDIT:

There are quite a few EU based according to this.

https://alternativeto.net/software/facebook-messenger/?origin=eu

https://alternativeto.net/software/whatsapp/?origin=eu

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Signal isn't EU based, but afaik not profiteering or harvesting data.

If anything is gonna replace Whatsapp it's gonna be Signal. At least going by what's currently available.