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Outside the London, Ont., courthouse where five former world junior hockey players are on trial on sexual assault charges, supporters of the complainant — carrying signs reading, "I believe you E.M." and "We Believe Survivors" — have been confronted by #HimToo movement backers with signs of their own: "5 careers ruined" and "E.M. cheated."

"Inviting guys for a three-way with a woman might not be the right thing. It might not be something you want your sister to partake in," said the man, giving his take on a text message entered as evidence. "However, it is not illegal when a girl is consenting to this. It is not criminal when a girl consented to this. Michael McLeod has had his career ruined. Hopefully, [McLeod's lawyer] David Humphrey can go and exploit what this girl's lies are."

(McLeod has pleaded not guilty to a second charge, of being a party to the offence for allegedly inviting players to his hotel room to engage in sex.)

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

This shit is too grey for the courts to handle properly.

Even with a video or audio recording, it's impossible to know state of mind.

As we see with this case, they can actively be saying yes or engaging with people and then say they felt they had no choice but to participate.

Without video or audio recordings, these things almost always come down to context at best, or just they said/they said at worst.

How can our justice system find anything to be true in these situations "beyond a reasonable doubt" at that point?

I'm not detracting from sexual assault being bad, it is, I'm just pointing out that there isn't a reasonable way to fix it that I've heard so far and we can't just believe every victim because we know that it's being abused (even if it's rare) by malicious actors to punish people that committed no crime.

The only actual solution I have at this point is we should just all start fucking robots, because people are stupid.

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