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[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 month ago (21 children)

Thanks for sharing this. Patriarchy damages men, they're expected to hide their feelings, "man up" and crush emotions inside. It really hurts men and it's totally wrong

[–] flicker 30 points 1 month ago (12 children)

A male friend of mine who confides in me was complaining to me about how there are these 'feminists' talking about 'toxic masculinity.' Apparently he viewed some video where a guy was intentionally conflating masculinity with toxic masculinity. I didn't know that at the time, I was just shocked, because he's the biggest victim of toxic masculinity I know. When I said that, he asked me to explain, and I pointed to the fact that his father burned his sketchbooks (this was the 70s) because art is "for girls." Which is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

When I explained that toxic masculinity is that, the emphasis to conform to some harmful version of masculinity, he turned on a dime so fast in rage at the asshole who conflated the two.

The thing that hurts my feelings most is when men are taught to forward toxic masculinity that harms them. When they're forged into links in a chain that they would never wield if they knew better.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Art is for girls?? As if art isn't one of the fundamental parts of being human? As if women haven't been barred from art schools and ateliers for thousands of years?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What, you don't remember any famous Renaissance women painters and sculptors?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Those women were outliers who pursued art despite being met with misogyny in nearly every corner of their field. (Also I know barely any Reneissance artists by name)

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