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Trump says Putin launching massive strike on Ukraine is ‘what anybody would do’
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 07 Mar 2025
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It's infuriating how stupid he is. Just "my feelings tell me to do X" nonstop, every day, like cultured cells responding to a stimulus shock.
You mean terms like „I‘ll stop hurting you if you give me more land and don‘t ask for help from the west.“?
Give me a break!
Ukraine was at peace in 2014 before Russia invaded. The only reason there is not peace is because of Putin.
Yanukovych was a Putin puppet that turned armed forces against unarmed civilians. The armed forces themselves turned on Yanukovych. That tells you how bad he was for Ukraine. If you're looking for Yanukovych now, you'll find him in Russia. I wonder why...
And what would Ukraine have to give Putin in return? The thing is Putin started the war! Putin started the war because Ukraine was daring to enter NATO which you could literally only hate if you actually wanted to fuck with some country!
Putins offer can be boiled down to „If you don‘t tattle to the teacher, i will stop punching you. Perhaps i could give you back your iPod when you graduate high school if you ask me nicely then.“
What the fuck is that kind of a bullshit deal? This could only be beaten if another bully agrees with the first bully to take your phone and leave the iPod and both of them will not beat them into the hospital. Oh wait…
That's none of Putin's fucking business. Ukraine is a sovereign country that can make its own decisions about its future. If your bullshit reasoning is reasonable, if Putin takes Ukraine fully are you justifying Putin invading Poland and Romania for being in NATO with foreign miltary bases too?
Yanukovych was a Putin laptop that was thrown out by the citizenry as well as the Ukrainian military. You'll find Yanukovych in Russia now, but I probably don't have to tell you that. You're probably closer to him than I am.
Yes?
And as for the rest: Putin has a long and sordid history of ignoring treaties with former parts of the USSR. He dangles the carrot and then hits with the stick if any of the soviet states actually try to eat it.
Russia wants Ukraine to become another Belarus or Georgia. Ukraine does not want that. Ukraine is a sovereign nation and does not want to invade Russia or take its land. Neither does NATO.
After that, your argument completely falls apart. It’s no more than the excuse, but has no grounding in reality.
You don’t get out much, do you?
The only place that narrative is still accepted is inside Russia.
Oh, and it’s not a civil war when one of the combatants is significantly made up of foreigners from Russia.
Next thing you know, you’ll be saying that Ukraine is really just a disputed Russian territory because they rejected their democratically elected Russian selected leader.
I’m curious: what’s your opinion on China’s continually improving relationship with Kazakhstan, and their plans to sever ties with Russia and become a full fledged partner in the belt and road?
And there it is.
Reparations for being invaded....
Right, but Crimea is Ukraine's land which Russia invaded and stole in 2014. So that's not letting Ukraine have all its land is it? It's letting Ukraine keep bits of land you haven't stolen yet. Can you see how that might not seem very reasonable?
Simply put, the Russians can’t be trusted to honor any agreement that’s not backed up by force. Their “terms” aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on. They’ve never honored any agreement they’ve made with Ukraine, and as long as Putin is in power they never will.
Except, again, there’s no reason to believe that Russia was negotiating in good faith, and it sounds like the inclusion of security guarantees from the West is one of the reasons the talks broke down.
Again, Russia has broken basically every treaty and agreement they’ve ever made with Ukraine.
https://thedispatch.com/article/russia-history-broken-treaties-agreements/?signup=success
I think you’re going to keep finding reasons why it’s Ukraine’s fault no matter what I or anyone say!s! I won’t waste any more time on this. The fact remains that Russia has broken pretty much every agreement they’ve ever struck with Ukraine since at least 2014, and Ukraine has zero incentive to enter into a new one without the force to ensure it’s followed. Their only choice is to try and wear Russia down with prolonged conflict.