It's generational trauma regarding smoking. The last couple generations were pretty moved by the discoveries regarding smoking and now overreact. Attitude is much more rational in gen z
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This is super interesting. Can you link the sources? I'd be interested in knowing if this MAO deal is exclusive to cigarettes or is also present in the ecologically superior and marginally healthier pipe tobacco
I think Zyns and vapes are a step in the right direction in that regard, already orders of magnitude less harmful than smoking, but I'm also a huge fan of the traditional dry nasal snuff, which has fallen out of fashion. I can take as much snuff as I want for any period and get almost no side effects (except withdrawal of course), while I get noticeable sores if I use zyns for 3 or 4 days straight, even a single one a day.
Can't say it's 100% safe, as there is basically no research on it, and there is some evidence suggesting aged tobacco is a carcinogen by itself. Also there is some convincing evidence that fire toasted and fire cured things are carcinogenic, and some snuff is (this also includes food for grilling and smoking fans out there)
I'll just keep pretending the first reboot movie is the complete story, thanks. That mix of kids on bikes with subtle cosmic horror and some surrealist stuff is damn good
Had a complete meltdown over not improving my singing as much as I'd like
Also, to add to that, it's important to know that nicotine is studied seriously by actual health organizations and has mixed evidence supporting it as a treatment for Alzheimers and other dementia cases. I understand the hatred for smoking and even tobacco, but we can't overreact and act like boomers hating on THC treatments.
Not to mention that spreading misinformation like this will only serve to get more people to smoke once they figure out some of what you're saying is BS
Not true. Nicotine is a stimulant, so it has most of the effects of other stimulants, such as increased alertness. This stuff isn't popular with high stress jobs because people want to be cool, it's popular because it works. Finance bros popping zyns are the same ones drinking coffee all day long, same as students vaping all day
It's not heroin lmao
Anyway, I only get zyns as a treat from friends traveling abroad, as it's not available where I live. If I had that crazy impulse to get more and more nicotine I'd just start smoking, and that hasn't happened even though I'm doing this for years now
That's moist snuff, taken orally, not dry snuff, which is taken nasally. It's a common misunderstanding about snuff brought on by the US government's refusal to update their terminology... In 2025 snuff means only dry nasal, while most people refer to "moist snuff" as snus or chaw :)
The atomoxetin does work, it's just not as strong and as consistent as necessary. I have gotten the go ahead to use Ritalin at low doses in particularly low functioning days (along with atomoxetin), but last time I tried it made me dangerously hypomanic. So I take some espresso shots and pinches of snuff throughout the day, or maybe a Zyn, which I recognize the risks of using, but it's only occasional
Pricing and availability are both better for the real stuff where I live. Also, I'm not trying to quit, I actually enjoy the flavor and the buzz, so I'm not really trying to sub.
I've never dipped, it seems interesting but I also can't get past the spitting thing, grosses me out
I get hypomania from intense stimulants like Vyvanse but atomoxetin, which I'm on right now, doesn't work as well even at the highest dosages. Sooooo I heavily self medicate with nicotine, it's good that it also feels amazing
Just don't smoke actual cigarettes, guys. I guess everything tobacco is bad (I'd argue for snuff though), but cigarettes really are that much worse than everything else
They also generally come from a place of justified distrust of modern day mass (and sometimes even specialized) media, which makes it harder to reason with them.
Much of the problem is the false assumption that their dumb internet forums and influencers aren't being manipulative as well, by different and more ruthless actors... Yeah, dude, the government does shady stuff and manipulates people and narratives, but Andrew Tate telling you to cheat on your wife while exposing your kids to polio isn't better is it?