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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Trump is targeting mostly far-right evangelicals who have a common vision on what they want the country to look like. He has a lot of energy when doing so, and because of how similar their interests are he could get away with all sorts of stuff and they would still vote for him.

Harris (and Democrats in general) is the only alternative mainstream candidate that everyone else has, and that "everyone else" consists of all sorts of people with conflicting interests: liberals, neoliberals, centrists, progressives, leftists, different religious groups or cultures, varying economic demographics, racial minorities, LGBTQ, and immigrants for instance. They're trying to appeal to all of them at once, but because they don't have a shared vision, nobody is happy and they get more scrutinized. To make at least some of them happy, they need to focus on certain groups and deprioritize the interests of other groups. However, once they do that then the groups they deprioritize get angry since they no longer have representation, and the groups that are still there remain skeptical because of the history of not working for their interests in the past.

The advantage that third parties like PSL have is that from the start, they're trying to appeal to a specific group of people with a common vision like Trump is instead of trying to play both sides with conflicting groups and making nobody happy. The problem (aside from the election duopoly bought out by corporations) is that they are a very small political minority so they have no real chance of winning the election without winning over people from other groups which is a challenge, especially when there are many more unknowns when it comes to progressing than there are when it comes to reverting to a previous state so there is more fragmentation due to those sort of disagreements.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If she took a firm stance on stopping the killing in Gaza the electoral college could very easily hand their votes to trump.

Why couldn't they do a better job pushing Palestine as a civil rights issue and raising awareness among their voter base like they've successfully done with LGBTQ and women's rights? Or at the very least pretend to support Israel to appear more centrist while stopping the genocide instead of pretending to support Palestinians then handing Israel tons of weapons? Plus it seems like many voters are more concerned about our own economy than what's happening on the other side of the world, so regarding combining pro-Palestine with their current economic policies I don't see how that would be a big issue in attracting undecided voters. The only real obstacle I can think of here is donors and the media beholding the party to their interests, which is a much bigger problem than just the electoral college.

Edit: Wait I think I misread your post, I assumed you were talking about swing states controlling the outcome not the electors themselves.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I ended up in a debate yesterday about who is more likely to win the election and looked into this more carefully, this article if I am reading it correctly is saying that Harris dropped 0 percentage points and Trump dropped 1 percentage points and assumed that the 1 percentage point was voters headed toward Stein, which seems very odd and clickbaity and I'm honestly disappointed this article was posted and taken seriously.

Right now Al Jazeera is saying that Arab American voters are tied 41 to 42 percent Harris and Trump respectively, compared to 59 percent Biden in 2020 and 17 percent Biden in 2023. Which would make me assume about 20% voting for Stein coming from previous Democrat voters making them a loud minority. I've also seen multiple anecdotes of Harris winning over Republican votes so it seems like that 1% drop in Trump support could be coming from that rather than people leaving Trump for Stein. So what I said earlier was probably BS it looks like (although I'm kind of surprised the Trump support is this high).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

What would you call Alpine Linux?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago

It's sad that communities I used to think of as progressive safe havens quickly started justifying this shit as soon as Democrats hopped on the anti-immigrant bandwagon.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Maybe they have a way to unblock major search engine crawlers but block it for everyone else now? I know Cloudflare was doing something similar for some bot protection mechanism, and this seems like something news outlets would want to do also.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (22 children)

Doesn't NYT cut off most of the article now? I used to just be able to disable JS but that didn't work anymore last I checked.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well in Idaho, just about everyone I know who lives there supports Israel. And in Texas there are a bunch of people criticizing Kamala and our state's Democratic candidate for Senator for being radically pro-Hamas.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Not MAGA voters but possibly conservative Muslims who were influenced by Fox News and other far-right news outlets to think that Trump would be better for the economy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

People who are normally socially and economically conservative (which may in part be due to far-right propaganda news outlets) but also differ in significant ways from mainstream western conservative politics, and they are much more opposed to the genocide than they are supportable of those socioeconomic values. Not so relevant in 2016, a lot more relevant right now. There's probably more of them than you think.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A lot of (and probably most of) the people supporting Stein currently are Muslims whose main interest in voting is regarding the genocide, and on social issues are generally more conservative (and may not agree with her on stuff like LGBTQ) and may not align with either major political party so likely wouldn't be voting otherwise. I've seen a lot of Muslims support Stein on social media and the Stein rally I went to was almost entirely Muslims which is where I'm getting this impression. This is a case where the main parties need to earn their votes, and voting for Stein does not mean voting for Trump because they might not have voted blue either way.

(And regarding Lemmy drama most of the people here are voting PSL anyways so trying to convince people here not to vote for Stein is pointless because it's the wrong audience.)

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