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No one is denying that south africa has a corruption problem. But that doesn't mean that SA's stance against israel on the ongoing ethnic cleansing and genocide of Palestinians is because Russia or China told us so.

You're conflating the two issues. There is absolute disgust and anger at the israelis and absolute empathy towards the Palestinians because we went through the same brutalisation and dehumanisation by a racist radicalised minority government that the Palestinians are going through right now.

I would say that the Palestinians are actually subjected to worse than what south africans were subjected to. And that's really saying something, because we know how awful apartheid was and how much brutalisation we were subject to during apartheid.

I think you're ignoring that the south african government ( minus the DA and and their allies) and the people of south africa support the palestinians because we recognise exactly what an apartheid oppressor state looks like, and we recognise israel as being an apartheid oppresssor.

Aparheid wasn't that long ago that we've forgotten what it was like. We're still living through the repercussions of it, and will be for many years to come. We know the palestinian people are living through the same. And when they're free of the israeli apartheid inflicted on them they'll have to live with the repercussions of that for many generations.

It's empathy that south africa is feeling.

Interesting take.

So you're against "being deported to literal death camps alongside your whole population being rape and tortured while your children are taken away to be stripped of their cultures".

But you don't want the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians to be highlighted.

The israelis have a similar view to yours; one of their children killed is a tradgedy ( as it should be), but thousands of Palestinian children killed is a blip on their radar.

You seem vehemently opposed to "being deported to literal death camps alongside your whole population being rape and tortured while your children are taken away to be stripped of their cultures". Which is why i would think you would wholeheartedly support the highlighting of the quoted text that is precisely what is happening to the Palestinians.

But like i said, like the israelis, you seem to hold one people's importance above the other.

Right. Because south africa has absolutely no agency of our own, right? We can't do anything worthwhile without european or white masters /s

I suppose the colonial mindset hasn't left all south africans

Ok i see, it is difficult to read intent online.

But that's exactly why it's extremely telling when south africa calls israel an apartheid state. Because south african's know what it's like to be brutalised and dehumanised under an apartheid state. They see direct parallels of apartheid south africa in israel.

I don't see it as ironic, i see it as damning.

This makes me extremely happy. Hopefully other countries follow.

But also a very important point made in the article: a break in diplomatic ties with israel is just the start. The world needs to boycott, divest and sanction israel.

Yes. I believe the Israelis dug a tunnel when they built the hospital too

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-israel-build-bunker-under-shifa-hospital-1844107

The problem with a dying animal like the US empire is that it lashes out before dying. The question is are they going to lash out against the whole world as they lose control. It certainly is starting to feel that way.

And remember that they are the only country to unleash nuclear weapons on a civilian population. It does sound alarmist, but so far the US has shown that they will operate with absolute impunity.

The US is unreliable and outright manufactures lies as they need them. Can the world trust them not to cause destruction?

It's not even true to call it collateral damage. Israel is deliberately targeting civilians, it's mass murder.

One can only hope. But with the way Germany is heading it makes you worry.

Thanks for the link, people should see this

Germany doing the wrong thing once again