No, of course not, Blinken said that calling it genocide is baseless and meritless /s
stmcld
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I suppose this is the next phase of the slow? slide to fascism. It's depressing
It's no problem. Maybe i can also be more clear too in the future when replying.
It's true that the Israeli citizens and the Palestinian citizens will have to be involved in a common solution. It will be very bitter, especially for the Palestinians, but one has to move forward
The settlers (aka colonolialist thieves and murderers) are literally killing, maiming, torturing Palestinians on their own land in the West Bank. Driving them out of their own houses, lands and farms. The Israeli army stands by and watches this. If any Palestinian tries to fight back against the settlers in the process of stealing their land they are maimed and/or murdered. And this is only in the West Bank where land theft and murder by the Israelis is still happening to this day. It doesn't include any of the other clear land theft that had taken place in historic Palestine by the Israelis.
Now tell me that is not similar to the Apartheid police force breaking into houses in your area and telling you to move or be murdered, because your property now belongs the Apartheid state that is going to parcel it out to the white Apartheid supporting citizens.
Finding similarities between the atrocities commited by the Apartheid South African government and the Apartheid Israeli government is not adding my country's baggage to a complex reality. A lot can be learnt by looking back at similar atrocities commited in the past and the repercussions of that, whay was learnt, etc.
Also an important point is that because of experiencing a similar repression of my people, parents, grandparents, and living through the tail end of that repression, i have empathy and some understanding of what the Palestinians are going through. I can't claim to know exactly how they're feeling but i do have some idea.
I have been campaigning in South Africa for Palestinian rights and self determination since i was a young teenager with my peers and my parents. I have been aware of the history, geopolitics and reality of the situation of the Palestinians since then. I have a pretty decent understanding of what is going on over there.
True. But i would add the extra detail that all the land stolen from Palestinians by Israel should be returned.
In South Africa that wasn't done. We had land and a house that my grandfather built up by himself in what is now one the most expensive suburbs in Cape Town. That land was stolen from us and never returned.
And it hurts so much everytime we have to go past there because there are rich white folks living there now. And we know we'll never be able to afford that land now no matter how hard we work. Now we struggle to even leave a home for our children to inherit.
I don't want that happening to the Palestinians again.
I really hope they win. But i'm somewhat doubtful. I feel like they're either going to lose or the court is going to water down the language used to condemn Israel. But yes, if they do win, that's the most pertinent question.
I think you have judges from each major country, so that might influence their decision, very possibly negatively for South Africa's case.
I'm really not familiar with law/ international law so i speak under correction.
I hate to be negative about this, but i'm not holding my breath until i see the judgement. The international courts have shown that they're quick to cast judgement on Russia when the US and Europe barked orders at them to, with i don't even know what evidence. Now there's a pile of evidence for genocide by Israel but they're scratching their arses refusing to say 'Israel' and 'genocide' together in a sentence.
One very good thing to come out of this is keeping the genocide in the spotlight in the international community. And i hope it starts putting more pressure on Israel and the US
A Theocracy and an Ethnostate are two different things. If he meant theocracy he would have used the word theocracy, but he didn't. He used the word ethnostate
Exactly. It like watching the US back in the 2000's constantly talk about WMDs as a pretext to attack and destabilise the middle east once again.
What's the view your side on what the US and Israel are doing?
It seems to me that the US keeps trying to link absolutely anything done by Qassam brigades and Hezbollah and others to Iran. They're constantly mentioning Iran. And they're trying to make sure people think of Hamas as the same as Isis, when they're totally different ideologically.
I feel like the reason that the US is delaying any de-escalation by Israel is that the US is hoping that Israel attacks Iran and Lebanon and that those countries respond. And by doing so it gives the US an excuse to attack and take control of those countries under the guise of helping an ally.
There was a really intersting opinion piece that made a lot of sense to me, I'll try to link it.
Hey that would be nice, i hope a community like that does pop up too. I want to actually start learning it as well
As horrible as South African apartheid was, what is happening to the Palestinans is degrees worse.
Ordinary South Africans still remember the deep damage Apartheid perpetrators inflicted on us, it's poisonous remnants are still affecting us as a country to this day as we try to heal as a people.
Now imagine South Africans seeing what Israel is perpetrating against the Palestinians, now and in the past. It's a punch to the gut, a searing pain, to see what was done to us and our parents being done to Palestinians. We're seeing a gross refined version of Apartheid that was inflicted on us being inflicted on the Palestinians. And largely the so called west/ global north is cheering for the Israeli Apartheid regime commiting genocide. It makes me sick to my core.
For these reasons there is immense pressure on our government by civil society to denounce Israel and support Palestine. It does help that the ANC has always been pro Palestinian in the first place. Also it's elections this year so the ANC definitely wants some good pr too.
I would say that these points factor in way more than any link to Russia or China
Immensely proud of South Africa