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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Totally right.

In it's database it knows that the answer that is given in the most source texts to the question "Did you do something illegal?" is "No". And that is what it's replicating.

If the database mostly contained confessions of criminals it would answer "Yes".

But in either case it would not be related to whether it had done it or not, but to which answer appears more commonly to that (or a similar) question in the training data.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

It's not lying, it's too dumb to understand what it did.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

I played it quite a few times as a kid (my family always wanted to play it for reasons that are beyond my understanding) and I always saw it as "You really want to become a millionaire, then you win, and screw the poor losers that didn't make it".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Well, it started with a violent uprising in which 300 people where killed and the Wiki article you linked has a section called "government" which reads as follows:

At a local level, people attend a popular assembly of around 300 families in which anyone over the age of twelve can participate in decision-making. These assemblies strive to reach a consensus, but are willing to fall back to a majority vote. The communities form a federation with other communities to create an autonomous municipality, which form further federations with other municipalities to create a region.

Each community has three main administrative structures: (1) the commissariat, in charge of day-to-day administration; (2) the council for land control, which deals with forestry and disputes with neighboring communities; and (3) the agencia, a community police agency.

That's direct democracy on a community level and representative democracy on a higher level. Pretty similar to what is practiced in many democratic countries.

And if they have a police agency and an army it's hard to call them anarchist.

And they themselves don't do that either. Only outside anarchists project themselves onto them and say they are anarchists.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Of course it's a big simplification. Even the concept that you have to pay rent on the square you land on. Not having the choice which building you want to rent makes variable rents completely useless.

Because if you don't have a choice and have to pay rent on the field you land on, why would the owner of that building do anything but maximize the rent?

But it was never intended to be a perfect model of capitalism, but instead a simple tool to teach regular people why monopoles suck and using a property tax as the single tax is better.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Landlord%27s_Game

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Thanks, you where faster than me.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Government is born instantly whenever multiple people have to interact and it's about actually important stuff.

Take for example the story of Freetown Christiania in Copenhagen, Denmark.

This area was a large military base in the city of Copenhagen, that the military abandoned. Before this area could be redeveloped, anarchist squatters moved in. Somehow the government didn't step in and let them form their own society.

From the start the people living there noticed that they had common areas and infrastructure that they had to manage, so they formed local councils and each local council sent representatives to the one big council that was responsible for the whole Freetown. Of course, these people wheren't elected politicians, but only people selected by the majority of the smaller councils and sent to the big one to speak for them. No representative democracy at all, only anarchism.

Then they noticed that keeping up the common areas and infrastructure costs money, so they instituted mandatory contributions of all inhabitants. That of course weren't taxes, just mandatory contributions.

When people had troubles with their neighbors or other people, they could bring that conflict in front of a council for the council to decide who was right and what should happen. Totally not a court trial, just a council trying to settle disputes that could set mandatory consequences.

In the 80s then the Bullshit Motorcycle Club and the Hell's Angels fought over Christiania (I mean, who doesn't want to control an area with no real law enforcement?), and the Bullshitters won and took over the Freetown. After a particularly gruesome murder by the Bullshitters, the inhabitants of Christiania asked Copenhagen's police and the Hells Angels for help and they all together where able to break up the Bullshitters and drive them out.

To make sure that this wouldn't happen again, the big council decided to make some more solid rules (e.g. banning biker jackets, no hard drugs) and hired some strong men to make sure the rules where kept. These guys totally wheren't a police force. But if someone was breaking these rules, the strong men would drag that person out of Freetown and call Copenhagen's real police to deal with the offender.

So these anarchists reinvented representative democracy, taxes, laws and a police force. They just called all of that differently.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (6 children)

That's the thing though: you can't get out of the system without overthrowing it.

The people who are currently in charge of institutionalized authority have a lot of power and they got it, because they wanted it and used the current system to gain the power. They are not going to let go voluntarily.

And there is no opt-out of the system either. If a bunch of people act as if the authority doesn't apply to them, they'll get into trouble real quick. So doing this as a grassroots effort will also not work.

That's why the Communists that actually managed to communize a country all did so with a revolution and a state afterward. And yes, in the USSR they originally claimed they will only do the state-thing until the population is ready to go stateless, but who'd actually do that if you are Lenin or Stalin and that sweet sweet totalitarian power tastes so good?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Nope. I live in an actually developed country where the police generally does a very good job (nothing is perfect) and there is maybe one home invasion in the whole country every 10 years.

No need to have an alarm system, a dog or a fortificated bunker as a home. Also very few people (even very few criminals) have guns, hence gun violence even in criminal settings is close to non-existent.

The murder rate here is 1/10 of the murder rate in the USA, with almost all of the murders are people killing their spouses. Other kinds of murder are very rare.

We never had a single school shooting ever.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Old laptops can often be a pain if they don't have mainstream hardware.

I have a laptop with a touchpad made by Elan. I couldn't even find a website for them, but the laptop's support page has a Windows driver that works well.

I put Linux on there maybe 5 years ago, and there just is no driver for this touchpad on Linux, so it works in PS2 mouse modus and nothing else. No multitouch, no gestures, no way to change any slightly more advanced settings like sensitivity.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 2 years ago (10 children)

And do you also know why this is the case?

Because Monopoly originally was two games. One that basically works like Monopoly, with the outcome described in the the post, and another one, the "anti-monopolist" version was based on the concept of just paying tax for the land you own, which makes it more expensive for one person to own a lot of the board. This version never ended.

Elisabeth Magie created the game (called "The Landlord's Game") with these two rule sets to teach people about Georgism, which is a system in which tax is only raised on the land you own. It should show people that a system leading to monopoles is bad, and Georgism is good.

Then the Parker Brothers bought the rights to the game from someone who didn't own them, dropped the Georgism version and sold it with a rich, fat, old, white man on the covers who swims in money and is super happy, which kinda teaches exactly the opposite that Elisabeth Magie intended.

Then they used their position in the market to crowd out all the other versions of that game.

A truely American story, once the Parker Brothers entered the game -.-

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (8 children)

I'm not a fan of the current capitalism, but your explanation has some internal contradictions.

So to not have an institutionalized authority that coerces people to follow the rules, you first coerce (or even kill) the self-serving fuckwads.

Say you managed this during a revolution where generally everything goes. Revolution is done and now how do you guard your system from self-serving fuckwads using that power vacuum to gain even more power than before?

Do you just hold lynchings whenever some envious randos thing that someone holds too much power?

How does one get a fair trial if there is no judge or jury? War tribunals?

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