@Teknevra It can be done with FEP-ae97:
https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/ae97/fep-ae97.md
Which enables shared identity and seamless migration as you describe, but I don't think traditional web login needs to be abandoned. Fediverse will support both types of identities.
@Fitik @Teknevra Tipping will also be supported in the future (in addition to subscriptions).
And people on other platforms may put addresses in profile fields (Lemmy doesn't have them yet?). Mitra displays a donation icon when address is detected (the name of the field should be like $BTC).
@Irelephant @activitypub Yes, IP addresses are often used in development and testing environments. I haven't seen such servers in the global network though
@5dh @fediverse Financial incentive is not the only possible cause. If project leaders stop listening to their users for some other reason, you'll get the same result.
And there is another, more subtle problem: protocol bloat. Fediverse services are getting more and more complicated, and the cost of creating a new platform is constantly increasing. If this problem is not addressed, at some point Fediverse will start looking like a web browser market, where new players can't compete due to an immense implementation complexity.
@deadsuperhero @fediverse @quillmatiq Protocols described in these FEPs are currency-agnostic and developers can build actual platforms and solutions on them (as I did). This is the only ongoing effort to bring a payment layer to the Fediverse - there are no alternative proposals. FEP-8c3f was withdrawn in favor of FEP-0ea0.
Okay, you didn't know about it. But now you do and it would be nice to include at least some of that information in the article.
@deadsuperhero @fediverse You cite an abandoned project and withdrawn WebMonetization FEP and then say "most efforts have not advanced beyond the planning stages". This statement is misleading because those planning stages are far behind us. Mitra had subscriptions since 2022 and there are other projects that provide monetization options, like PeerTube Lightning plugin and PeerTube Premium Users plugin. FEP-0ea0 and FEP-0837 were published and implemented. Your co-author @quillmatiq should be well aware of these developments because we talked about it
Why did't you mention Mitra, the open source and fully decentralized Fediverse service that also offers paid subscriptions, and which has been around for several years?
@maegul @fediverse Some ActivityPub implementations already work as social media browsers. For example, my server can interact with microblogs, but also forums, blogs, events etc. The more activity / object types are supported, the closer software is to a browser.
@nihilist @monero Consider the following situations:
- Bob and Arbitrator are colluding against Alice
- Bob and Arbitrator are the same person
I think this system needs a higher authority to function properly. And there's a simple non-technical solution to this problem. If you don't agree with Arbitrator's ruling, you make the case public and provide proofs. As a result, Arbitrator's reputation is destroyed.
Someone can even create a rating service similar to @kycnotme that will list arbitrators with good reputation
@lionroe Sounds complicated, and the biggest flaw of OpenBazaar still remains: the lack of web client. We discuss this article because it is available on the web. Lemmy and other Fediverse apps are successful because they have web clients.
Why not start with existing federated software like flohmarkt? Make it federate over Tor (maybe it already does). That would solve the hardest problem, discovery. Other features can be added later.
Vendors will host everything themselves, so there is no need for any incentive model.
@monero