procapra

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[–] procapra@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Do you happen to have an article discussing this talking point that I can read up on?

[–] procapra@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

+1 for you as well because, this, 100% this.

[–] procapra@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago (15 children)

There is certainly something going on. Badempanada made a few videos on the subject that I thought were pretty decent. Ethnic cleansing is a bad faith and hyperbolic assessment imo, but there very much were(are?) facilities for re-education by China's own admission. From what I have seen the facilities are very reminiscent of the nordic model style prisons, but those are only the facilities that China has allowed journalists to enter.

It's certainly not a topic I bring up when discussing China as its virtually unverifiable (and this to some degree would reinforce the idea that it's a fabricated propaganda hit piece). Anecdotes go about as far as you can throw them, as do guided tours. I would say I'm most curious what kind of re-education was(is?) being done? If its to re-educate people advocating for the destruction of the country, that is at the very least not something out of the ordinary for a state to do(and honestly very progressive in comparison to other countries that would torture you and lock you away for life).

[–] procapra@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago

To clarify: I have certain expectations that I hold a socialist country to. The best case scenario would be that the DPRK meets all my expectations and is a socialist paradise. I have no belief that the DPRK does or does not meet those expectations.

[–] procapra@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

XHS? Is this some kind of app?

[–] procapra@lemm.ee 27 points 2 months ago (13 children)

I do wish finding information about them was easier. It always ends up being a game of believing either the US state department, or the DPRK. Obviously can't trust a word the US says, but I remain skeptical of what the DPRK says in a guided tour or in a glorified advertisement showing off a single new apartment building.

Would absolutely love to visit some day though. At worst, they don't live up to my expectations of a socialist paradise and are just like any other country. At best, they exceed my expectations and I become a follower of Juche. 😂

[–] procapra@lemm.ee 10 points 2 months ago

It takes work, and it takes emotional patience with people. Screaming at the top of our lungs that we must have revolution does nothing. We must be teachers first, show the masses that their attempts at reforms are failing. If they are rational at all, they will listen. If they are not rational, getting angry and scolding them does nothing.

The western left (and I self-criticize when I say this because it applies to me as well) tends to be very infantile, very impatient, and has relatively low levels of militancy within it. I'm a full on hoxhaist. I have a very specific view on what I want socialism to look like, and what strategies I believe are actually beneficial. That being said, if I spend the bulk of my time engaged in disrespecting other tendencies instead of doing literally anything I will never see the world I want. No bunkers will be built, and I will be sad. ☹️

The average person just wants to see us do something. How often do communist parties in the west actually organize things themselves as opposed to hopping onto some liberal groups thing? If we can't even, for example organize our own red aid in a remotely comparable way to what some rando charity is doing, we got a long ass way to go ya know? There is hardly room to bicker and try to dictate peoples lives and views until we've proven to be a force of good.

[–] procapra@lemm.ee 12 points 2 months ago

Here in the US i've been told about people being forced to walk on hot coals and having lighters burn the palm of their hand as long as they can handle. Kids have literally killed themselves at these camps. Fuck the idea they should just be illegal, any parent that puts their kid through this should get 10-15 in prison.

[–] procapra@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

It was a hypothetical. Nobody is contributing to E-waste.

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