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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

Definitely not. Making food and eating are among my top pleasures, I'm always motivated to do that. So I rather have to be careful to limit my intake when I'm feeling down.

[–] [email protected] 169 points 3 months ago (29 children)

If there's one thing Japan loves, it is economical competition. There are like 40 different ways to pay at a shop, it's absurd.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

According to their official 30 project website, there are still a lot of 50, but it does look like less than 51%. It's also possible the report is based on older numbers as it takes time to collect from many different organizations. https://bolognacitta30.it/mappe/mappa-delle-velocita/

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Obviously not great if it's punitive, but if it introduces new creative gameplay or story branching, it could be cool.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Your way is assuming they will question the things with your push statements. What I’m saying is they believe they have solid foundation, and their alternative facts account for most pushes. They’ll bring up reasons. They’ll say “facts”(obviously not real ones, but they have them). They’ll feel they’re knowledge. Those things cause them to effectively counter soft pushes, in my opinion.

My work hypothesis is that most people are actually not that solid, they think they are until you push them to explain, and then they get softer as you raise points they didn't consider before.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (4 children)

And for 1000000 times the cost of normal extraction probably.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You said this:

Arguing without the understanding that they have alternatives facts is wrong

I'm asking you why would you think that is not already integrated in my way, since I think it is implied by what I explained.

Honestly, it makes me wonder if you’ve actually interacted with these sorts.

Not the MAGA people since I don't live in the USA, but French conservatives, mostly through the diversity of background that exists in sports activities.

The best approach that I’ve found is to beat them to the punch of saying things. Basically, make points before they can say stipid shit, they’re very easily manipulated if they haven’t already taken a stance in the conversation

I think this could work, but it limits the number of opportunities quite a lot. I see no reason to not try both.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Why would you think it's without knowing they got intoxicated by fake news?
That's the point, you think they have wrong ideas, so you push them gently to increase the chance that they will question them by themselves.
If that's a poor way to do it, maybe you have a better way, what is it?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Just gently question those: oh, why do you think this? What do you think of those people who have another opinion? Keep pulling on whatever they give.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 months ago (10 children)

Try seemingly open-minded questions about what they think. Gently introducing questioning will avoiding confrontation can work to shake their beliefs. It can be satisfying to see them become more nuanced as they try to explain.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago
  1. Human rights as a consensual starting pooint of what is good.
  2. Rational skepticism, ranking knowledge/belief based on the proximity to an international scientific consensus.
  3. Expressing my opinions and questioning others opinions in a polite and nuanced way that allows civilized discussion. It increases the chance of common progress rather than strengthening tribal bubbles.
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