"an attack on one is an attack on all"
That is definitely a sentiment that needs to be at the forefront of these discussions. It's where I differ with some many people. Even tho I don't generally like people, I still care about them. Which sounds weird, but it's how I feel.
Yeah, that's the extra layer is feeling like I am talking to a brick wall. If it weren't for the plethora of carrots on sticks that the dems laud over us, they would probably have come around to our side by now.
Yeah, I am the insufferable one like that! However, my lib friend is very well read on politics, they just have way more faith in the systems than I do. He also loves to take the "realist" stance as opposed to my idealistic one.
Anxiety mostly, but I don't think its very healthy to keep succumbing to the feelings. COVID is also the huge factor, but I still mask everywhere I go, so I can solve that problem easily. So it comes back to social anxiety that I do definitely need to work through.
Yeah, but with liberals even if you get them to admit that they just fall back on the stance that "it's just how it is", "change isn't overnight". No shit it's not overnight! So why do we keep punting the start of said change down the road every 4-8 years?!?!?
Thanks comrade, but yeah that is definitely the part weighing on my the most.
That is my view as well. The only reason she is toeing the line is for the sake of the party, which in itself is part of the fucking problem!
But the one that really chapped my biscuits was saying that if he wins, then [my family member] will lose access to reproductive health care and IVF in particular.
It's always something like this that they only just realized could tangentially affect them or someone they know. Meanwhile my position is with regards to the overall systemic shortcomings that I feel are just as important even if they don't apply to me. Obviously I care about reproductive rights even tho my partner and I are both sterile (by choice), but I want those rights for everyone else even after I leveraged them for myself!
So what about those years when he had full congressional majority?
They are never ready to answer that, or they just punt the issue to the next scapegoat.
Bonus points for my insistence that both parties intend on continuing the genocide...
Yeah, this was a point I tried to make one time and instead of the "other guy is worse" I got the "Kamala isn't Joe" line. Which made my brain reboot and I don't remember after that, lol.
That is a completely different, but totally valid topic that I wasn't even thinking about in this moment. Because I also find that I cant be honest about that either. All my liberal friends know my stance and many of them have accepted it by just not including me in their plans anymore. Which I'm fine with, I hate public gatherings anyway, but yeah, most of them just shrug and say, "it's endemic at this point". As if that is a form of fucking protection. UUUUUUUGH!
I think it's idealistic for the Dems to expect a vote when they can't give even token concessions.
DUDE! I run into a situation pretty often where I have to defend my criticisms of democrats against claims that my rhetoric is detrimental to progress. To which I have to tell them that its not my fucking responsibility to make politicians likable. I am not going to stop voicing my frustrations and concerns just because some uncommitted voter might hear me and agree.... If Kamala wants more votes, that's on her to prove the critics wrong, its not on me roll over and say nice things about her and the party. It is ridiculous for the Dems to expect a vote they don't deserve just because they aren't the orange guy.
Totally understand that, and that is where the erosion comes into play. Dems constantly being ready to cede ground eventually leads to the floodgates opening when the balance of power shifts harder right.