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[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think he titled it 7 because he explicitly presents 7 different cases. I'm not sure what you mean by saying three are the same though? Two are obviously exactly the same. Personally, I would only consider it three different "things":

  • A uvular nasal at the end of an utterance.
  • The nasalization of a following consonant when that consonant has the tongue contacting the roof of the mouth.
  • The nasalization of a preceeding vowel when the following phoneme has the tongue not making contact.

I think it's fair to even say that it's almost exactly one thing: an instruction to let air out of your nose whilst producing the surrounding phonemes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

You are correct (for standard Japanese 標準語 hyoujungo; other dialects can be quite different). NoneOfUrBusiness's response is not a great take. Every word has an accented syllable or no accent at all (and it really is based on syllables, not mora). The accent is realized as a relatively sudden drop in pitch after the accented syllable with no (necessary) change in length or loudness. The drop can complete within the next syllable or after. Usually at the beginning of an utterance you start low, climb up in pitch to a certain point, and then either hit an accent and drop suddenly or gradually drop across a longer period of time if there's no accent.

The precise pitch does not matter, and it's definitely possible to have two accents close together resulting in a high-mid-low kind of pitch pattern.

Things are also complicated by the fact that Japanese likes devoicing certain syllables. Devoiced syllables can still be accented even though they can't carry pitch in the same way as voiced syllables.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I believe you, I had just never heard it was "wrong" and it's never stood out to me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Yeah, I'll agree, without any pauses it's less natural and it's more of a "buying time to think" thing.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (4 children)

I really don't see why you would think this.

Sooooo, Carl, on Thursday, said that...

Completely normal thing I would expect to hear.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 7 months ago

Idk if you're a native speaker or not, but as a native speaker of American English there is absolutely nothing wrong with this to me. You could put it in about 4 different places:

On Thursday the press freedom group Reporters Without Borders announced ____.

The press freedom group Reporters Without Borders on Thursday announced ____.

The press freedom group Reporters Without Borders announced on Thursday that ____.

The press freedom group Reporters Without Borders announced ____ on Thursday.

The first one typically has a comma after "Thursday". The second one you could offset "on Thursday" with commas. The third one is at best really awkward without a "that" or a question word (who, what, where, why, how) and you could offset "on Thursday" with commas; you can also drop the "on", in which case you can't use commas. The last one is possible but could be ambiguous (it could be that "on Thursday" is part of their announcement).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Just want to clarify for others like me who might initially have a negative reaction to this claim: this is referring specifically to a phrase like "I have the itis" (which personally I have never heard). The suffix -itis, of course, does not come from this and is much older.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

103% increase. The number of people leaving increased by a factor of 1+1.03 = 2.03. Which is to say, the number of people leaving more than doubled, which would have been a better title, but either way there is nothing wrong with math in the title per se.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"Terror". I have no idea why he suddenly grew a non-rhotic accent.

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