legolas

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[–] legolas@fedit.pl 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Dzięki za cynk

[–] legolas@fedit.pl 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

If USA wants a deal with Russia, I only wonder what can they offer that Europe cannot. They have bigger energy market that's one thing. But USA has it's own resources, will they want to buy oil and gas from Russia in big quantities? They also can't make Russia too strong if they for example want to give them some high tech. Cause Russia will always (?) have better relationship with China than with US (will they?) and if there is 3WW, in current world I think we all agree on the fact that Russia pairs with China against NATO. What else can they offer? I guess keeping supplying Ukraine with military equipment is also some kind of lever. US could just hide this fact from the public. There is also a matter of sanctions but how big of an impact do they have on Russia in reality?

And how does China fits in this?

[–] legolas@fedit.pl 1 points 3 months ago

If USA wants a deal with Russia, I only wonder what can they offer that Europe cannot. They have bigger energy market that's one thing. But USA has it's own resources, will they want to buy oil and gas from Russia in big quantities? They also can't make Russia too strong if they for example want to give them some high tech. Cause Russia will always(?) have better relationship with China than with US (will they?) and fighting with both would be difficult. What else can they offer? I guess keeping supplying Ukraine with military equipment is also some kind of lever. US could just hide this fact from the public.

And how does China fits in this?

[–] legolas@fedit.pl 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

If USA wants a deal with Russia, I only wonder what can they offer that Europe cannot. They have bigger energy market that's one thing. But USA has it's own resources, will they want to buy oil and gas from Russia in big quantities? They also can't make Russia too strong if they for example want to give them some high tech and chips. Cause Russia will always(?) have better relationship with China than with US (will they?) and fighting with both would be difficult. What else can they offer? I guess keeping supplying Ukraine with military equipment is also some kind of lever. US could just hide this fact from the public.

And how does China fits in this?

[–] legolas@fedit.pl 30 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)

Whats the problem with creating one message and using the APIs for posting it on all social medai? With optional formatting per platform?

[–] legolas@fedit.pl 39 points 3 months ago (20 children)

Strange that Spain and Norway don't have its own instance. Big countries

[–] legolas@fedit.pl 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I mean yeah, doesnt matter. The point is people shared alternatives to big tech just like folks who are not in the power right now. Cause apparently x is musk's and it looks like the consensus is that rest of big tech is siding with Trump for profit

[–] legolas@fedit.pl 62 points 3 months ago (20 children)

It's crazy how the wind changed. Does anyone remeber the almost exact same thing 4 years ago, when people on the right side of political spectrum shared alternatives to big tech from their point ov view? GAB.COM, PARLER, BRAVE, DUCKDUCKGO etc

XD

[–] legolas@fedit.pl 28 points 3 months ago

That's a lot of money.

[–] legolas@fedit.pl 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yeah, techical should have actually objectively best comments on top. I don't agree that in this category the earliest comment wins. Maybe sometimes, but usually I don't think so. It depends on the size of the thread if people go through the whole section or just small piece. But that's my opinion but to prove it we would need data.

The value in controversial category is that people dont upvote just because others upvote. It demands thought from a user.

I think ultimately it's about whether you want to seek the actual truth and getting somewhere with the discussion or not. Truth can only be discovered when thinking is turned on.

[–] legolas@fedit.pl 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

You base your answer on only first study when I pasted four examples? And potentially there is more?

[–] legolas@fedit.pl 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

I asked ChatGPT about existing experiments on this matter. Sheep behavious is real:

Key Studies: The "Hidden Votes" Experiment (Muchnik et al., 2013)

One of the most well-known studies on this topic was published in Science by Muchnik, Aral, and Taylor. Researchers manipulated upvotes and downvotes on a social news site (similar to Reddit) with 100,000+ users. When an initial upvote was artificially added to a post, it increased the likelihood that others would upvote it by 32%. Downvotes did not have the same effect—they were often corrected by other users. The experiment suggests strong social influence in voting behavior. "Bandwagon Effect in Online Voting" (Lorenz et al., 2011)

This study found that when people saw public votes before casting their own, they converged towards the majority opinion. The effect was particularly strong in subjective judgments, like ratings of art or music. YouTube and Social Proof (Salganik, Dodds, & Watts, 2006)

In a controlled music experiment, researchers manipulated download counts for different songs. Songs with high fake download numbers became even more popular, showing strong herding behavior. "Hidden Likes" Experiment on Instagram (2019)

Instagram conducted real-world A/B testing by removing visible like counts in several countries. Initial reports suggested reduced social pressure, but Meta has not released detailed statistics. What Happens When Votes Are Hidden? Some studies show that without visible votes, people rely more on personal judgment instead of following the herd. However, others found that herding still happens when other subtle signals (such as comments, engagement, or reposts) remain.

 

It was probably suggested before, but the topic is not raised too often so here goes the solution:

  1. We introduce two types of threads - normal and "controversial/heated/political" (probably there is a better name)

Normal type is for "technical" discussions, where the best answer is accepted as best by some very large percentage of people, lest say 90-99%. The treshold could be a matter of discussion, but you get the idea. So that would be questions like "How to fix dead radiator in PC", "Whats best way to do this or that"

Controversial is for discussion where there is potentially lot of disagreement, but also where there could be just some disagreement, but we want to hear other points of view. So all of the political things, questions about genders, etc, everythign that creates heated conversation. Probably could also be used for humourous topics.

The thread type is set while opening a thread, but it can be changed any time during the discussion by forum moderator

  1. We leave normal type discussion as they are on reddit/lemmy whatever. For controversial first when user enters the thread, all of the comments are sorted in random order. All of the comments vote scores are hidden. Now user casts votes in "one go". Only until they finish casting votes, other votes are visible for them. Changing already casted votes on these threads is NOT POSSIBLE. They unfortunately cant vote on new comments which were added after they voted. THey are only allowed to vote once. TBH users dont usually come back to threads after they visited them once so its not like we make some common behaviour impossible

This way we eliminate sheep behaviour and demand making their own decision by user. And we force user to be responsible for making a decision. Someone might argue that we sometimes change mind, but it doesnt matter, cause the number of times we change minds is really tiny and the gained changed behaviour is far more valuable. After everything is visible for user they can now sort by most popular comments which is now available.

That should be it. We also might introduce thread freezing if necessary.

What do you think? And also, since lemmy is open source, do you think there is a change that some bigger instance migght create a fork that introduces some of these changes as an experiment?

 

Interacting on instances which are not yet discoverd and connected to instance where we are registered is pain in the ass. Copying URL into search bar? That is really repelling. I'm sure it was discussed before but I can't find this discussion. How to make it easier? Do devs need to make changes to protocol or it's enough and it can be done within the apps themselves? How close are we to the solution?

 

My lemmy users per capita guess: 1. Russia 2. Finland. I can understand Russia cause developers are from there but why Finland?

 

Obrazy tworzone przez sztuczną inteligencję? – to już było. Tym razem jednak malowaniem zajął się humanoidalny robot, a jego dzieło ...

 
 
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