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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

There are cases in which the status quo kills way more in the long term than a revolution would in the short term, I agree with you that a war, expecially a civil war fought expecially on national soil brings misery and destruction to the nation, but it is sometimes a necessary evil in the short term in order to avoid a way bigger evil in the long run. To make another Italian example, the fascist regime killed hundreds of thousands of people, 120.000 innocents died only in Lybia during the deportation of the cyrenaican people, that's less than all of the deaths in the Italian Civil War!

didn't say that all revolutions are bad. It's usually a mixed bag, some good, some bad

I think we agree on this one, I thought you meant revolution was inherently evil. Better to clarify and argument further nevertheless, For posterity. Peace.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

By that logic all of America should still be partitioned between the Spanish, British, Portuguese and French.

I understand this is an hyperbole, but still, let's take for example the French revolution: sure Napoleon crowned himself emperor and in the end left France in a worst state than before, but he gave the whole world some important advancements that in many (often subtle) ways still reverberate today:

for example, his monetary policies are the reason we have 1,2,5,10,20,50 of a given currency and the respective cents, and not an arbitrary system of fractions (old European coinage could get absurd, I suggest who's interested to go on numista.com or a similar site and check for yourself) .

He helped introducing the concept of separation of church and state to the general public (not much considerated before).

He helped the nascent industrialist class to emerge and impose itself, gradually stamping out the remains of feudalism from Europe.

He advanced history in many ways I can't even start to mention.

Let's take another example, you can think what you want of the Soviet Union and I can agree to various criticisms, but living in the Russian empire in the 1900s (even before WW1) was like living 3 centuries in the past. People lived in misery and died young, servitude was abolished only 50 years before.

The Communists took a country that barely surpassed feudalism (in the cities) and gave basic dignities to its citizens, arriving to compete, militarily and economically, with the strongest superpower in history.

Can be argued it degenerated after Lenin's death, but it's undeniable that, even under stalin's time, life was magnitudinally better than even 30 years prior (and to be fair that's an enormously low bar)

Essù, anche noi abbiamo fatto ben 3 (tre) guerre per ľindipendenza contro ľaustria, evidentemente la gente lo voleva! Concordo che non sempre quando rovesci il governo vai a finire meglio (vedi Hitler, giovani turchi) ma gli Italiani lombardi/veneti/friulani sotto cecco Beppe non se la passano proprio bene... Non che i SaBoia fossero meglio, ma ľautodeterminazione dei popoli è una cosa importante per cui (a mio avviso) vale la pena combattere se si è oppressi.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

spoiler!Both are good

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

It's so funny because before the lib invasion of july/august lemmy.ml was the biggest instance and guess what? It was and still is mostly populated by libs (although the situation is still better than on .world) i actually signed up here on accident, before even knowing what federation meant, I actually wanted to register on lemmygrad (TBF not many people knew what federation was 2 years ago, lemmy was even more niche and unknown than it is now) it's so funny to see these omega-libs whine about "those communists from lemmy.ml" lmao, before July I fondly remember all the lib trolls that populated /c/worldnews here on the .ml

Edit: take this gem:

Asking for proof of what is an open secret on lemmy seems disingenuous.

I think that instances like hexbear, lemmygrad, and lemmy.ml are very bad advocates for Lemmy and will most likely end up damaging it more than anything else, keeping the “normies” out.

They argue in Bad faith, say the most radical stuff they can think of, and purge anything bad said about totalitarian regimes they idolize. China, Russia, Iran, all considered victims of the evil west…

Uyghur camps > not happening Tiannamen square > Just some peaceful protests invasion of Ukraine > NATO forced Russia to do it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Indentured servitude was a huge step up from slavery though. It was (at least in Europe) a direct result of feudalism: just like the Duke swears allegiance to the king, gives him levies and taxes in exchange for protection, the serf was in a kind of feudal relationship. He received protection and a land to work (or a job in general) in exchange for a tithe and days of free labor. He wasn't treated as a commodity, bought and sold at a market, he was more like an apprentice, a subordinate or something of that kind.

E: i apparently confused classical servitude with indentured servitude💀 point still stands, slaves were slaves and there was no way for slaves to be freed if not by will of their masters.

E: also, goes without saying, if you were born a slave you would (most likely) have died a slave and so on for your children. It wasn't like that for indentured serfs, the contracts were signed for a specific amount of time, and they could "purchase their liberty" through their labor. Still an unjust system, but comparing it to slavery is just watering down the term tbh.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Normalize not bailing out failing big businesses, hope we can bring that custom over here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In the good old days, bait used to be believable...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

So much for the free marketplace of ideas, I can't even get Putinbucks in peace now...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I live in a relatively "safe" and "peaceful" country, in a relatively good zone of the city, I went to one of the most expensive supermarket and there was a fucking armed guard... Do they trust us so little? For reference i know armed guards are more common in burger land but here I saw them only at banks and museums, is a rostiserie chicken as valuable as a ancient artifact? Also I dont think they make back the salary of the guard from what they recoup from not "stolen" (read expropriated) stuff

Necroposting over

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago

Nah he lit himself on fire because he was feeling cold

The balls of u$a propaganda...

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