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privacy concerns around their app, it's a nightmare. never install it. but they can't get any data from the protocol that you aren't already publishing, and they can already get that without starting a different service.

I'm not sure how you know that?

this makes a lot more sense. I'll read the link, thank you

edit: yeah, that's a bigger risk. I'm a bit more torn.. I'm frustrated, the promise of an open protocol is having access to the content without signing up to mainstream services. I would really love that and it's what the protocol was designed for. cutting ourselves off feels like it's just going to doom the whole idea to being underused and fringe.

do you think xmpp would have done far better without google?

but.. the whole point of the protocol is to allow interoperability? someone went out and worked so hard on an open protocol and your response is that you'd rather just have a different account on every service? way to trash their work.

I believe they aren't releasing in EU because EU has stronger privacy legislation and their application spys on you.

and yes, there is a huge difference between what they get through the protocol (literally only what you choose to make public) and the data they seek to harvest from having you log into their servers and install their app - actually that's another big one. browser tracking.

I don't want to log into their sites because of browser fingerprinting. they want to track everything we do online.

remember when the person who started WhatsApp said that even with e2e encryption on the messages, no one should ever use WhatsApp since meta bought it?

but if you log into a Lemmy server they don't get browser fingerprinting through activity pub. they can't see personal messages or track social networks outside of the users directly on their service.

and the opportunity is, people will be exposed to the possibility of using open source and private instances. we just have to make it good and they'll switch. more and more people are hearing about it with all the other social media fuckups.

I honestly agree, I feel so annoyed that on a platform designed from the ground up to enable communication whatever platform we're on, people are taking the first opportunity to cripple its growth because they hate a company.

You can get whatever data is available from federation with a server just by joining a server - the data they want is from installing their app on your phone.

if you stay federated with them you can get all their content for free without installing their spyware.

complete win.

good article and I appreciate this isn't the point, but on a personal level I feel like both at once is pretty bad.

Generally you can have something fast or have something stable and you're always striking that balance. Sucking at both at the same time should be a red flag.

this looks genuinely fun

defederating means that people who want to connect with someone on the platform are forced to install it. fuck that. not defederating gives people an alternative and shows them using the fediverse means they don't miss out on anything regardless of platform.

if I want to access threads content and I can do it using my existing fed account without installing their app and giving them access to my heartrate, microphone and bowel moton stats then frankly that's a win for us.

all the item duplication bugs people are having fun with

no definitely not installing it or opening an account.

I'm not against federation tho, I'd be in favour of showing people you can get all the same content through another channel. defederating means that people will have to use it if there's content from someone they like on there. I don't want to give people a reason to install that shit.

I'm not sure it's possible to reasonably prevent, reddit had issues throughout its life because of it. I think they implemented measures but they were regularly bypassed. with federation it's probably impossible. I'm not sure how much it matters for most threads but it might be an unfortunate fact of life

2050 isn't really that far away. if you remember the year 2000, that's about how long.