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Exactly. And manufacturing fake grievances only serves to discredit the legitimate ones.

It would be fair to say that he and Reddit leadership not only provided a platform for deplorable communities like r/jailbait to flourish, but benefitted from them financially, while claiming that they can't do anything about it because freeze peach.

Here's the direct quote from the General Manager of Reddit:

I don't want to be the one making those decisions for anyone but myself, and it's not the business reddit is in. We're a free speech site with very few exceptions (mostly personal info) and having to stomach occasional troll reddit like picsofdeadkids or morally quesitonable reddits like jailbait are part of the price of free speech on a site like this.

OP may come across a little alarmist, but it's really easy for online communities to become Nazi bars if the admins aren't carefully weeding out the ne'er-do-wells. Especially in places with open signups. Taking a hands-off approach and simply hoping that everyone is going to be a mature adult and behave themselves is effectively voting to surrender the site to assholes.

And yeah, they follow "the rules", and free speech and all that, until they don't. The thing to keep in mind is that these are not folks who, as a community, are interested in engaging in good-faith discussion. They are looking for a platform to spread disinformation and troll the libz, and any platform that facilitates it is also complicit.

My guess is that the admin who sent that just copied & pasted the same message they're sending to other subreddits without editing it first. They have a limited amount of admins, and there are a lot of subreddits that went (and remain) private, so they're definitely not writing bespoke messages to each and every subreddit.

I suspect they have some rough templates depending on the scenario each subreddit is operating under:

• If sub is private > send message A
• If sub is restricted > send message B
• If sub is NSFW but not normally > send message C
• If sub is proposing letting the community vote > send message D

I switched to Tidal about a year ago and have been pretty happy with it. Better audio quality, they compensate musicians better, and I prefer the UI. They both have 80m+ songs.

The creator of tildes.net is a former Reddit backend developer, and believes this is likely due to how Reddit caching works (or doesn't work), rather than an intentional subversion of user intent:

Yes, this is almost certainly a technical issue. The way reddit caches things probably isn't the standard way you're thinking of, like a short-term cache that expires and refreshes itself. There are multiple layers of "cached" listings and items for almost everything, and a lot of these caches are actually data that's stored permanently and kept up to date individually.

For example, when you view your comments page, Reddit uses a cached (permanent) list of which comments are in that page. There is a separate list stored for each sorting method. For example, maybe you'd have something like this with some made-up comment IDs:

Deimos's comments by new: 948, 238, 153
Deimos's comments by hot: 238, 153, 948
Deimos's comments by controversial: 153, 238, 948
If I post a new comment, it will go through each list and add the new ID in the right spot (for example, in the "new" list it always just goes at the start). If I delete a comment, it goes through every list, and removes the ID if it can find it in there.

One of the problems with this system (which is probably what's causing @phedre's issues, and affecting many other people trying to delete their whole history) is that all of these listings are capped at 1000 items. If you already have more than 1000 comments and you post a new one, the 1000th comment currently in the new list gets "pushed off the end". The comment still exists, but you won't be able to see it by looking through your comments page, because it's no longer in that listing.

Deleting comments also doesn't cause previously "pushed off" ones to get re-added. If you have 5000 comments, your listing will only include 1000 of them. If you delete 50 of the ones in the listing, your listing now has 950 comments in it. If you delete all 1000 from the listing, your comments page will appear empty, but you actually still have 4000 comments that will be visible in the comments pages they were posted in.

And this is only one aspect of it. There are also multiple other places and ways that comments are cached—comment trees are cached (order and nesting of comments on a comments page, for all the different sorting methods), rendered HTML versions of comments are cached, API data is probably cached, and so on.

All of these issues are probably just some combination of all of your posts being difficult to find and access due to the listing limits or certain cached representations of posts not being cleared or updated properly.

I wonder how much of this is responsible for the sudden surge of user growth Lemmy has seen over the past week.

I've been a Relay devotee, but Sync is a great app too, and I'm really looking forward to 1-3 months from now when we'll likely have a wide variety of apps to choose from.

It just prompts me to pause and consider how poorly Reddit managed to handle this situation. Rather than offer reasonable API terms, or even a normal timeline, which would have been a win-win-win scenario, they've:

• Motivated a large chunk of their userbase to join competing sites
• Driven their 3rd-party developers away, some of which will be creating apps for those competing sites, likely bringing their users with them
• Alienated their free labor force of moderators
• Abandoned their users who have accessibility issues
• Whipped up the rabble into a mob. The internet loves to grab a pitchfork, for the lolz as much as anything
• Spun up a monthlong parade of worst media coverage they've ever suffered across not just tech media, but all media. Which is really quite staggering accomplishment given their previous controversies.
• ...in the year that they are aiming to IPO.

It can be win-win. Reddit owns their platform and they can implement whatever enshittified features they want. Ideally that acts as a filter to keep the worst element of reddit over on that side of the fence where they can be happily monetized.

Meanwhile the folks who prefer this more open-sourcey federated experience not owned by a Profit-Driven Company (tm) are free to move here. Reddit owns their platform, but they do not own the community, and I'm looking forward to a userbase hopefully comprised of more thoughtful, intentional posters.

I'm really curious what rank-and-file reddit employees think about Steve Huffman and this whole affair. The guy has singlehandedly taken a match to their equity and I can't imagine that would prompt a positive response.

I had no idea such a thing existed, thanks for posting! I currently use Notion at work, which is similar, but this looks promising for home use.

I'll still be using it going forward as a resource, but perhaps not as a community, if it ever really was one. It still exists as the foremost way to cull out blogspam (and now AIspam) from Google search results. So if I'm looking for discussions on a new carbon steel pan, Google will probably direct me to a Reddit thread and that's fine. Hopefully in a year we'll all be appending (lemmy|kbin|tildes) to search queries instead.

As far as a community, oof it's not looking good. Steve Huffman this week just kept finding new ways to keep digging, to keep insulting the community, and to keep straight-up lying. The fact that he apparently idolizes Musk and considers him more of a role model than a cautionary tale leads me to suspect that he's going to continue to antagonize the community and I'll probably end up editing/deleting my comments by the end of the month.

@Gargleblaster There's a buymeacoffee link on this page you can use for that. I don't believe there's an option for anything recurring right now like Patreon, or at least I haven't found one.