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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

I appreciate this, thank you. You might also find this recent blog post interesting form Ink and Switch: Malleable Software

https://www.inkandswitch.com/essay/malleable-software/

I think this is the underlying philosophy of why I appreciate vibe coding's potential.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Thanks. I agree there are limitations to LLMs right now (and perhaps we won't figure out how to bolt on reliable intelligence for years to come).

I've been contributing to FLOSS for about 20 years. For example, if you're curious, this project took 3 years to write by hand: https://github.com/relm-us/relm

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Thanks for your thoughtful reply, I think you have some great points. It's important that we understand, at some level, or trust. Lacking trust, we need to understand.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

There are many groups in the space. Examples:

  • https://openeurollm.eu/launch-press-release (European universities' initiative to create an open weights, open source foundation model)
  • https://www.deepseek.com/en (Chinese research company that made headlines when they released an open weights model of similar quality as top LLM capabilities for far less than US companies spent in training and energy. They've been criticized for being Chinese and gathering data from users, but that criticism only applies if you're using their service, not their open weights model).
  • https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/openelm (Apple released this model with training data)

Here's a more complete list: https://github.com/eugeneyan/open-llms

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Thanks for your kind & thoughtful answer.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This is exactly what I'm trying to do, but I was taken aback at how negative the solarpunk community took things. I thought of myself as solarpunk, but I've had to reconsider since posting this.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago

I think you could be reading into what I'm saying a bit, but I do appreciate your example as gedankenexperiment. I think what you're getting at here is that not everyone should be empowered to code, because coding is powerful, and power can do harmful things, like genocide. Is that right?

If I read one layer further, I think what you might be most concerned with (correct me if I'm wrong) is the conveyance of statistical power in corporate hands, where decisions are often amorally arrived at, and LLMs and their training sets could represent a bad form of this--if they are allowed to be used for ill. Is that right?

I guess I just find it empowering to work on good objectives. I'm the moral agent, and I treat the computer and all of its capabilities as a tool. The AI system I have running on an old(ish) GPU in my closet is powered by solar panels, transcribing my audio notes, and giving me peace of mind that my data is within my digital domain. Adding an LLM to that GPU is part of the ongoing experiment. And if it helps my daughter (who is not a coder) build apps that are just for her and that she loves, well, I'm cool with that (see other posts for details, I have to get back to work now).

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I admire that, despite the clear differences we might feel around the subject. I'll try to be thoughtful as well.

LLMs are the opposite of anything ecological IMHO.

I think this is a really interesting point, and I hope to hear it unpacked some time. I'd be interested to know if you're talking about American LLMs, or some other breed of LLMs, or the transformer algorithm that generates language models itself.

We have a thousand of those already. A better example is needed.

I mentioned this in another reply, but will repeat here a bit. I didn't go into detail in the original post because I wanted to be brief. But the habit tracker app I was thinking about was something my daughter designed. She isn't a coder. But she had a complex set of nuanced motivation ideas for herself--she wanted to make a system where if she didn't something healthy for herself, she would be awarded stars, and if she did something social she would be awarded flowers. I'm doing her app a disservice by abbreviating it. She wrote a 19-page description (Product Requirements Doc, in engineering terms, but she wouldn't know that term) in Google Docs, and then built her app in v0. She was so so excited to see her ideas come to life! It's the first time I've ever seen her really interested in computers.

(re: mold an existing app) That’s not how any of this works. One more reason to shun those who do not care and take the time to understand what programming is all about.

I'm not sure what you mean here. I'm a FOSS developer. I know what open source is. I also know what it takes to start with an existing open source app and mold it into a new shape, based on new requirements that I have. What am I missing?

Linux is free FFS, install Ubuntu today and you have all the languages you’ll ever need. How is ~~code vomit~~ vibe coding helping? Also LLMs are very expensive to run right now, it’s the worst example.

I'm running an LLM and a transcription service (audio -> text of my notes, synced via syncthing from mobile phone to server, then processed using n8n and a docker image of whisper-asr-webservice) on an nvidia 3080 GPU in my home, powered (mostly) by our solar panels. I'm exploring new paths, and vibecoding seems like an interesting one to me 🤷

Last but not least, I hate how all the CEOs, managers, companies, and random people try to: pretend that open-source does not exist, change the meaning of the word open-source by associating it with binary blobs, and show developers as selfish people (“tech wizards”) who want to keep the technology for themselves.

I'm not sure that I agree with this statement.

You don’t want to learn how computer works and it’s fine, it’s your right, but don’t pretend it’s anyone’s fault.

I guess I didn't think I was blaming anyone here.

My vision for the future is one where it's more equitable--where digital algorithms don't govern our lives like they (primarily at the hands of corporations) do today. I'm exploring what vibecoding might mean if it emancipates people to contribute to the ruleset that is often hidden from their view, especially when they don't have computer/technical expertise (but also by just being a human being in this era, when mobile phones, social media, and unhealthy relating with devices are ubiquitous and basically just "expected" of you).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

lol, that sounds like a disaster.

I'm curious, what would it look like in 300 years? What would be different, and enable a positive human-computer alignment at that time? I know you've said it's out of scope, but I'm curious what we can't have now that is desirable in the future.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

lol, fair point. <3

I do hope we use it judiciously. So far, I've found the "biggest bang for your buck" to be at beginning a new project. But I'm also wary of vibecoding in its extreme form of "just press accept".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Right! I guess this is precisely my point--big corporations are running with it, and so the future will be whatever they make it. But I want to make my future, which is why I've built solar panels on my home, built my own server, re-used old computer parts in my closet, hosted my own server, and am running a GPU with my own ollama and whisper AI algorithms on it. I'm hoping to take control and not just be a consumer of corporate enshittification.

 

I started a local vibecoders group because I think it has the potential to help my community.

(What is vibecoding? It's a new word, coined last month. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibe_coding)

Why might it be part of a solarpunk future? I often see and am inspired by solarpunk art that depicts relationships and family happiness set inside a beautiful blend of natural and technological wonder. A mom working on her hydroponic garden as the kids play. Friends chatting as they look at a green cityscape.

All of these visions have what I would call a 3-way harmony--harmony between humankind and itself, between humankind and nature, and between nature and technology.

But how is this harmony achieved? Do the "non-techies" live inside a hellscape of technology that other people have created? No! At least, I sure don't believe in that vision. We need to be in control of our technology, able to craft it, change it, adjust it to our circumstances. Like gardening, but with technology.

I think vibecoding is a whisper of a beginning in this direction.

Right now, the capital requirements to build software are extremely high--imagine what Meta paid to have Instagram developed, for instance. It's probably in the tens of millions or hundreds of millions of dollars. It's likely that only corporations can afford to build this type of software--local communities are priced out.

But imagine if everyone could (vibe)code, at least to some degree. What if you could build just the habit-tracking app you need, in under an hour? What if you didn't need to be an Open Source software wizard to mold an existing app into the app you actually want?

Having AI help us build software drops the capital requirements of software development from millions of dollars to thousands, maybe even hundreds. It's possible (for me, at least) to imagine a future of participative software development--where the digital rules of our lives are our own, fashioned individually and collectively. Not necessarily by tech wizards and esoteric capitalists, but by all of us.

Vibecoding isn't quite there yet--we aren't quite to the Star Trek computer just yet. I don't want to oversell it and promise the moon. But I think we're at the beginning of a shift, and I look forward to exploring it.

P.S. If you want to try vibecoding out, I recommend v0 among all the tools I've played with. It has the most accurate results with the least pain and frustration for now. Hopefully we'll see lots of alternatives and especially open source options crop up soon.

 

I showed my 15yo daughter what I was doing (building https://vibe-coders.org/) and she immediately saw promise it in to build her own health app and schedule her own exercise routine in the morning.

Within a few minutes she'd created a prompt that generated a website just for her--no login, no sharing her data. She made flowers grow out of the corners when she loads the website, just for a personal touch. She can add scheduled weekly exercises and then check them off on a daily basis when she does them.

Super cool!

 

I saw this on the reddit community and just had to post! If there's a giant "this computer is mine" reason to get a Framework computer, this might be proof of it!

 

Cory Doctorow is a champion of right-to-repair, digital freedom, and consumer rights. You may have heard of a term he coined a couple of years ago--"enshittification" to describe the pattern where SaaS companies degrade the quality of their service once you're locked in.

Anyway, he was on this Greymatter podcast recently--It's cool to hear that he has a Framework 13" laptop and has repaired it and upgraded it multiple times!

https://www.greymatter.show/episodes/s1e109-cory-doctorow-the-intersection-of-storytelling-and-technology

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This has been killing me in Cosmic as I daily drive the alpha--the Alt-Tab functionality up until now has not cycled through most recently focused apps--rather, it has used a static list in the launcher that seems to be based on app launch order.

Not any longer! Two PRs will soon land from wash2, which continues the work of wizznokes (who started on this feature nearly 6 months ago), making recency-based alt-tab work!!

You'd think it's an easy task, but there are, afaiu several subtle things involved, including the need to create a protocol for cosmic-comp for active workspace combined with active app, so cosmic-launcher would be aware of and able to switch among workspaces, depending on circumstances of the most recently focused app.

I just pulled the branches behind these PRs and compiled and tested. What a beautiful sight to behold! Thank you all who were involved!

While I'm not involved directly with development, if I were to make a guess, I'd think these will reach the staging servers and be released this coming week if you're following popdev master (sudo apt-manage add popdev:master).

 

Hey so it looks like the original creators and mods of this community deleted their accounts, which explains the mystery of their not having said anything for some time :)

The admin of lemmy.ca has made me moderator for now. I hope in the future we'll see others step in to the role as well, as they are willing and able.

I've updated the logo to a higher res (official) image, and added a short community sidebar explainer as follows:

An unofficial community of enthusiasts and fans of the Framework hardware company, known for its modular laptops and other products.

Does that represent us? Any thoughts or additions to consider?

 

I've been surprised at how hands-on disassembly makes my daughter understand computers better. The fact that she can pull out the memory or SDD, or point to the giant battery, or ask what's under the fan seems to have made her much more curious and interested in learning about computers.

Has anyone else had a teaching moment through being able to open up their laptop easily?

 

I'm curious if the swappable ports, upgradable and repairable hardware, or some other aspect of the laptop design unlocked something specific for you?

For example: I was surprised to find out that gaming was easier with my mouse when I had the option to move the old USB-A port to the left-hand side, so the mouse cord loops around the back of the laptop and doesn't get in the way. I know, I could get a cordless mouse, but I guess I like classic hardware :D

Another example: There was a bug in the Linux kernel a year or two ago where high DPI screens would go dark intermittently when you had only 1 memory stick (SO-DIMM) in single-channel mode. I think they eventually fixed it, but to speed things up and get a working system for myself right away, I was able to order a 2nd SO-DIMM module and upgrade to 64GB of RAM in dual-channel mode. Gratefully, the problem was solved.

If you have a Framework, have you had similar or perhaps weirder unlocks?

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I'm curious what you think our niche is here. There're obviously some much larger communities that focus on Framework hardware. But who are we, and why are we here?

For me, I'm trying to break my Reddit addiction and want to contribute my knowledge to the commons, rather than one corporation's pocketbook.

When I first bought my Framework, I started https://linuxtouchpad.org/ to organize and learn about how to improve Linux support for its touchpad. I feel like I helped a little bit, but not as much as I would have liked.

Intros? Why are you here?

 

I've been waiting for a few months for the marketplace to get an International English Linux keyboard in stock, as well as the 61Wh battery (both for 13") to upgrade.

Does anyone know what their intent is there? Do you just wait for a bunch of people to batch up with the "Notify Me" list, or do they intend to just keep a few of everything in stock and it's been a bad luck streak for me?

 

If you're running Windows, what version and why? If Linux, what distro?

 
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