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The moment i learned ethan was having bonerbox on his podcast was when I woke up from this bender and sent myself to slop rehab

think it is more related to being neurodivergent and being multiple lists of people that RFK Jr publicly stated that he wanted to send to forced labor camps, as well being close to LGBTQ+ people.

Wait I think I said something about this

are only willing to uphold this (very sensible) standard when it’s their own political interests at stake, but have no interest or can’t be bothered to uphold it when it’s their own representatives who are refusing to oppose fascists.

See what I mean? It's appropriate to be angry. Righteous, even. But pretending as if opposing fascism is only important when it personally effects you is childish. Democrats were actively assisting in a fucking genocide, and somehow you don't seem very angry with them for that culpability, let alone for crippling their own opposition campaign by doing so. There might be lots of reasons why your imagined non-voters chose not to vote for Kamala, but the huge one is right there in the issue you're angry about.

Yes, Trump is objectively worse, no question. But Democrats have been teaching voters for fucking decades that it doesn't matter what they want, they will only do what's politically expedient - it's their fucking fault so many people have lost sight of the importance of exercising what little democratic power they actually have.

Betrayal hits differently than actions of known malignancies.

It's a double standard to expect people to acknowledge that very reasonable feeling when millions of people have been feeling that way about the democrats for fucking decades. Yea, it sucks that you were abandoned, but how incredibly selfish of you to make that the problem of the other people who've been abandoned long before you ever were.

Mainly because I think that those are the people who are acting ethically and actually trying to use the available tools instead of attempting to force armed conflict (likely inevitable at this point) or inflate their egos

The start of a very mature sentiment, undercut by putting arbitrary guardrails around what you personally find to be 'ethical' and an imagined motivation.

I see absolutely zero indication of this being right-wing propaganda.

I've seen a lot of mentions of other genocides on my instance, but what's notable about the Palestinian genocide is that the US and the western world is directly involved in it.

Typically when I see this complaint it's paired with a general vibe of wanting to deflect attention away from western atrocities. Not that I know enough to accuse you of that, but still.

Absolutely this.

Anyone denying the clear signals of despair from young voters is coping. Idk why anyone is getting mad at people demanding progress from dems at a time when there's no risk of electoral losses - makes me think those people are actually just carrying water for ani-reform neoliberal fascists.

Not a liberal

Didn't say that you were.

I excuse noone involved in enabling fascism.

Get fucked. You share responsibility and are no ally to vulnerable people of any sort.

Weird that you don't have that energy to the people actively enacting and collaborating with fascism. Nowhere on your list have you identified the level of responsibility for who's job it is to represent their voters, and who's job it is to campaign and advocate for their platform and put forward their vision to address our national crisis.

Fascist movements don't happen in a vacuum, and the same conditions that lead rise to nazi's also lead to the disillusionment of voters who have lost hope that democracy is incapable of reform at all. People resort to fascism for the same reason (that democracy cannot be reformed through democratic means, so they resort to violence and authoritarianism).

Democrats hold the entire blame, not just for collaborating with fascists domestically and abroad, but for creating the despare that lead people to give up on democracy.

The fact that you're ire points only in one direction leads me to think you share that same contemptible abdication of responsibility as liberals do.

Get fucked

A member of a right-wing neolib political party that cooperates with those actively working to install fascism and/or neo-feudalism and refuse to push back in any meaningful way? You’re partly responsible for the shit happening.

You forgot the people who actively petitioned their party to lay down their fascist collaboration and voted as a member of that party. Even if you're one of those people as I am, the fact that you're giving cover to the cowards who claim to represent you makes you a coward, too.

Get fucked (that one was directed at you).

No bud, I'm saying it works until it doesnt, and you're counting on voters to do the work of rooting out fascism when their representatives aren't doing anything to fix the problems that caused it.

It's not fatalism, it's holding accountable those with actual power to do something, because otherwise it isnt going to be enough to just vote.

What is a 'progressive protest' then?

Like herding cats with this guy, I tell ya

I am so curious about which ones you claim are liberal protests as opposed to progressive.

I'm imagining it'll sound a little like present day republicans trying to claim Lincoln as their ideological progenitor.

What hypothetical outcome are you even proposing? ‘He’d grow his influence through stirring rhetoric?’ We’ve all been exposed to his tweets; he sounds drunk. ‘If we’d sent him to prison he’d be more powerful?’ He’s in the god damn white house.

No, I'm saying it's a little silly to parade around trump losing an election and nearly going to prison as the system 'working' against a direct comparison of Hitler, who literally had both of those things happen to him too.

A political system defined by the breakdown of democracy and rule of law isn't going to be stopped by democracy or rule of law. You have to look beyond those systems to understand why they failed, and I rarely see liberals acknowledge anything other than electoralism as being involved in the growth of fascist movements.

I cannot comprehend the fatalism in saying ‘preventing this could not have prevented this.’

Is this the strawman you were looking for? If preventing this doesn't prevent this, then preventing it didn't really prevent it, no? Lol, honestly, you can't stop fascism with voting any more than you can stop a mugger by yelling 'you can't do that!' at them. It's literally a failure of democratic systems and law in order that's supported by a populist movement. You have to address the populist element, otherwise all you've done is lit a fire and walked away.

As if I've ever found anyone other than progressives out protesting.

Imagine if Trump had actually been sent to prison and had time and opportunity to write his own Mein Kampf.