WhyJiffie

Apps are typically given their own dedicated storage volume, and access to any other part of the filesystem requires permission from the user.

uh, no? on smartphones, yes, but not on computers.

and even on smartphones. the chat app does have access to your messages, as I originally said

WTF kind of computers are you using?

desktop.. computers? you probably heard about operating systems, like windows, and linux..

on linux. flatpak. now, how mainstream is that setup exactly? are you saying that the issue I brought up does not apply to most of the people on the internet?

it does not matter what platform I'm on. what matters is what do most people use. in the world where I live, most people use the windows operating system. there is no such protection at all. except when accounting for sandboxie and other obscure programs virtually no one knows about

how are programs denied that access? how is it that they can't do that?

with the computers that I know, if I download a program, that'll be able to read, and also modify all the files that I have access to. this includes the ability to read the saved passwords from my browser, and to install browser addons without my consent or knowledge.

what makes it so that it cannot happen on mainstream desktop computers?

to me that sounds like arguing that banning behavioral advertising would result in all monetarily free social platforms stopping to exist

chinese tech was cheap even before datamining and IoT was a thing. "banning" datamining wouldn't make chinese tech expensive

@WhyJiffie Disclaimer: I'm not sure if Friendica is respecting the thread format from Lemmy, in my first attempt, Friendica sent this reply as a whole new sub-thread instead of part of the previous sub-thread. Sorry if this is being sent outside the sub-thread, it's a glitch from Friendica.

yeah, I see the first one appeared as a top level comment, but this is now correctly in this thread. no problem!

For example (a meta-example): this reply to your reply wasn't written so recently. I saw your reply when it had been 10 minutes since you had sent it (11 hours ago). Then I read it, then I read it again, and again... I read it several times so I could understand all the points you shared. Even though I wasn't going to reply immediately (i.e. as soon as I saw), I began to gather fragments from my thoughts-replies (which started to pop up inside my head as soon as I began reading), writing these fragments as notes so I could further develop and compile them, only effectively sending when my reply was complete and ready. It's an old habit of mine, gradually writing and preparing a text/reply/post over hours or days.

oh, I too often do this, with emails, where I compose it for a long time, all the while it changes a lot

Another word I would think of is superficiality.

that too, but also, often those kinds of comments are just plainly wrong.

One solution could be ActivityPub allowing for a departing user to update its own actor from given posts, replacing it with a community/instance-wide actor (thus a "de-actorification" of sorts), so the activity would effectively become part of a public domain (given explicit consent from both the actor, the community and the instance, of course). But it's not an easy thing to implement nor to fully achieve in practice, unfortunately.

that, or what reddit does: replace the username with "deleted"

where did I recommend that?

It's not about me, but about all the people around me

Why is it my problem?

Because when manufacturers see that they can get away with this shit, they will all start doing it, and then you can stick up your research because there will be nothing else.

If you can't be bothered to take a few extra minutes to do that, then quite frankly, you deserve to be fucked by scammers.

and this is exactly how being fucked by scammers will become normal

stop with your fucking elitism and start thinking what to do for those whos work/hobby is not in IT, because that's 99.999% of people.

Because any programs have that access??

what no? why and how am I wrong?

I see, I'm sorry for your bad experiences.

Or, ND content is simply ignored, ghosted, relegated to the void, either because NT people don't know how to further engage with such a content, or because NT people couldn't even bother to try and read it in the first place

while the ND/NT devide can have a significant effect on what kind of responses a long post may receive, I think about those who obviously didn't read beyond the first 10 words in yet another way. I think they have a mental disorder of severe attention deficit. there's some nuance to it, like sometimes the person is just in a hurry or something, but this can often be seen from the quality of the response because that 3rd type of person I mentioned is very prone to make very short, meaningless comments, which also have other properties I don't know how to put into words, but which make you feel they didn't even try to give something useful. and brainrot platforms like tiktok really don't help with this worldwide issue.

That's why I often find myself "nuking" my own content: because there's no reason to keep a communication attempt that led to no meaningful and deep communication. I hope this clarifies one of the reasons why "Permanently deleted" could happen.

I see. Hmm. The cases where I find deletion problematic always had something useful in them, either the post or the threads.