Wes4Humanity

Nah, we'll have to wait for someone to poll the people who showed up last time but sat it out this time to know for real why they did it

When it comes to the conflicting ideas they need to pick a side. And the other side has to decide whether to show up or not, we know which side always shows up, maybe they should take a backseat for a bit, they'll show up anyway.

Like if you think women should be subservient, you're not on our side. If you are okay with arming a terrorist nation to carry out genocide you're not on our side. Easy peasy ones.

I think we're actually finally at a truly 50/50ish ratio of regressive to progressive in the US... That's why things are so tense between the progressive actual left and the regressive "left" DNC. Yeah there's still misogynistic bigoted people here, but definitely way fewer than 100 years ago. And they should ALL be on the other team.

I got 2 ballots mailed to me, and just had to fill one out and send it in. There's no reason it couldn't have been that easy for everyone. Anywhere that it was harder than that, I'd guess Republicans were behind it, but if it was Dems they should be kicked out of the party, if the party wanted to start leading the widely varied left.

No one on the actual left wouldn't vote for a woman because she's a woman... These are mutually exclusive things

All movements only exist in people's minds, until there's something for them to set in motion, a plan for them to execute.

The thing we need to build is a political movement. As you pointed out, very few people have any idea about anything, let alone politics. I think the movement is bigger than just 5 million, that's just the nihilistic part... I'd think maybe 15-20 million are truly onboard to some degree in their minds, and even more to a lesser degree, they just don't know what their supposed to do because they aren't politics experts. Also whenever a true leader emerges they end up getting elected, (and apparently later they then get pushed back out by big money and Israel, who knew?) but once they're elected they're legitimately too busy to lead anymore.

People lean on the DNC because the DNC leans on them... The DNC demands loyalty from people who's loyalty they could get by actually doing what they want, instead they're chasing after loyalty from people who's loyalty they could never possibly get. It's insanity, and it's insulting. And the more they do it the more the lines between them begin to blur until they've moved so far to the right that the group to the left of them starts to look big enough to go without them... If someone could unite them. But, the same people who own the media companies pay for the Dems campaigns... the Dems control all the levers of political organizing on the left and like 6 companies control all the levers of mass communication, so the politically illiterate group kinda need the Dems apparatus to be able to make their thing work... And the more the Dems refuse to cooperate, the more it starts to seem like maybe they're truly just not on the same team.

I wouldn't say 5 million people thinking this way would be out of the question though.. Would you? And are they polling the people who voted for Biden but didn't show up this time? Because that data would be wildly valuable

They absolutely don't have a coherent constituency, that's for sure, but they certainly could have a large enough constituency to put Trump and his entire army of ignorance and sleeze to bed once and for all, but they only cater to a very small segment of what could be their constituency, and for many of the people who could be their constituency it often feels like they're actually catering to the enemy rather than to them.

I think for a lot of people the choice ended up being between a quick leap into fascism or the ongoing painfully slow fascism temperature being risen one degree to keep the other guy from blowing it to 100, and I think more people than I'd have hoped decided to let the bandaid be ripped off

I think the movement is there, it's just kinda in the back of most people's minds because no one is leading them effectively... Which I get, Bernie and AOC are obviously too busy to also be organizing a movement completely dependent on small donations and somehow figuring out how to use those to get the word out through the torrential downpour of bullshit we experience everywhere, but I wish they would choose leadership for that movement that can lead more effectively

Correct, there is zero chance of ever getting through to these 75 million people... But there was a very good chance of getting through to the 10 million who stayed home but had voted last time, and at least some chance of getting through to the 50% who regularly don't vote... But the Dems never go after those people, they continue to insist on wasting everyone's time by only going after the imbeciles with actual policy changes (they go after the 10 million with bullying and fear mongering, which clearly doesn't work)

You have to try and see it like a young person who hasn't fully developed the ability to understand long term consequences and also probably isn't paying all that much attention. Imagine if the choice had been between Trump and Cheney, would you have bothered to show up? Now imagine all you saw was that Cheney supports Harris, and the other guy is Trump. There's no one to vote for.

Don't even have to actually do it... Trump sure as hell won't... Just have to say it

No, Trump voters are EXACTLY as stupid and racist as was previously thought... The mistake was thinking anyone was going to change their minds by meeting them in the middle, and thinking they could do so in a short amount of time without understanding how to really use social media propaganda (just bullying everyone while ignoring their legitimate demands was not a good strategy) shows how stupid the Dems are as a party