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[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 7 points 2 years ago (5 children)

How in the world did this person call anyone an antisemite? Are you responding to the right post?

Nothing they do will ever cause the international outrage any other country’s actions would cause.

Israel has 45.9% of all UNHRC condemnations ever passed, passed at it. Do you believe Israel is committing 45.9% of all human rights atrocities on Earth right now?

You are right Israel is measured by double standards, but it's not that its actions produce less outrage than other countries' -- they produce far more. This is new antisemitism.

It's not actually necessary to rake Israel over the coals more than other countries. Doing so is a double standard. Sierra Leone has roughly the population of Israel; If you aren't holding it to task for its human rights abuses as much as you are Israel, you are engaged in that double standard.

[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah they’re not really pro-LGBTQ. They just want to convince LGBTQ people they are so they drum up more support their insane tankie politics.

More importantly they’re also jerks though, so, easy defederation tbh

[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 18 points 2 years ago (11 children)

I was reading about new antisemitism the other day and I thought it was interesting.

Most canny antisemites have turned to the old (and formerly totally fine) canard “criticizing Israel is not antisemitic” to shield their actual antisemitic criticism. Not wanting to call Hamas a terrorist organization is a perfect example. They’re only terrorizing Israel, which isn’t inherently antisemitic! /s

But yeah it’s really everywhere now. Sometimes it’s mask off as in this incident. But frequently it’s mask on.

[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Whaaaa

Why would they think that’s a good idea!

Okay thanks for letting me know. I’ll defederate again tomorrow when I’m in front of a computer and not on my phone.

[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 2 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Yeah I did — they banned the Donald community on it so felt it was probably reasonable. Let me know if you think otherwise, happy to reconsider.

[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 5 points 2 years ago

Lock her up!

[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 10 points 2 years ago

Antisemites of a feather flock together I guess.

[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean, your argument is still basically that it's thinking inside there; everything I've said is germane to that point, including what GPT4 itself has said.

[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The Anthropic one is saying they think they have a way to figure it out, but it hasn’t been tested on large models. This is their last paragraph:

Again, all your quotes indicate that what they've figured out is a way to inspect the interior state of models and transform the vector space into something humans can understand without analyzing the output.

I think your confusion is you believe that because we don't know what the vector space is on the inside, we don't know how AI works. But we actually do know how it accomplishes what it accomplishes. Simply because its interior is a black box doesn't mean we don't understand how we built that black box, or how it operates and functions.

For an overview of how many different kinds of LLMs function, here's a good paper: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2307.06435.pdf You'll note that nowhere is there any confusion about the process of how they generate input or produce output. It is all extremely well-understood. You are correct that we cannot interrogate their internals, but that is also not what I mean, at least, when I say that we can understand them and how they work.

I also can't inspect the electrons moving through my computer's CPU. Does that mean we don't understand how computers work? Is there intelligence in there?

I think you’re maybe having a hard time with using numbers to represent concepts. While a lot less abstract, we do this all the time in geometry. ((0, 0), (10, 0), (10, 10), (0, 10), (0, 0)) What’s that? It’s a square. Word vectors work differently but have the same outcome (albeit in a more abstract way).

No, that is not my main objection. It is your anthropomorphization of data and LLMs -- your claim that they "have intelligence." From your initial post:

But also, can you define what intelligence is? Are you sure it isn’t whatever LLMs are doing under the hood, deep in hidden layers?

I think you're getting caught up in trying to define what intelligence is; but I am simply stating what it is not. It is not a complex statistical model with no self-awareness, no semantic understanding, no ability to learn, no emotional or ethical dimensionality, no qualia...

((0, 0), (10, 0), (10, 10), (0, 10), (0, 0)) is a square to humans. This is the crux of the problem: it is not a "square" to a computer because a "square" is a human classification. Your thoughts about squares are not just more robust than GPT's, they are a different kind of thing altogether. For GPT, a square is a token that it has been trained to use in a context-appropriate manner with no idea of what it represents. It lacks semantic understanding of squares. As do all computers.

If you’re saying that intelligence and understanding is limited to the human mind, then please point to some non-religious literature that backs up your assertion.

I'm disappointed that you're asking me to prove a negative. The burden of proof is on you to show that GPT4 is actually intelligent. I don't believe intelligence and understanding are for humans only; animals clearly show it too. But GPT4 does not.

[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

GPT4 has knowledge of its own training since it was trained in 2022.

[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt -2 points 2 years ago

No? Humans are not algorithms except in the most general sense.

For example, there has not been any discovery of an algorithm that allows one to predict human actions, and scientists debate whether such a thing could even exist.

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A number of users have made their way here from other instances; we welcome everyone, and I thought I would take the time to offer a clear vision as to what lib.lgbt is, why I created it, and what you can expect from participating in this community.

What is lib dot lgbt about?

We are primarily and firstly a space for queer people (and queer-adjacent people, including family and allies of all stripes). This means we are also inherently "political" in the sense that the existence of queer people is intrinsically political these days. While this reality kind of sucks, I didn't make the world this way; all we can do is live in it as best we can.

To me, all political considerations other than queerness are secondary. As long as your political philosophy aligns with queer liberation, you are welcome here.

The core tenet of all our users should be "everyone should be included and in every way possible." Let's take a practical example: the common troll debate topic of the inclusion of trans people in sports. Well, here, there's no debate. Everyone should be included in every way possible. Including trans people in a sporting league is, to us, as uncontroversial and proper as including Black people or Jewish people.

Failure to adhere to this assumption, or questioning the legitimacy or stability of queer identities, or "just asking questions," or wanting to debate queer people in the free marketplace of ideas, or whining about how the existence of this instance (or its moderation) is curtailing your freedom of speech, will result in scorn, opprobrium, and banning -- not necessarily in that order.

Why lib dot lgbt?

I created this instance as I fled from reddit. I love supporting queer people and debating politics, and was hoping to replace that in my life.

I initially applied to Beehaw and have nothing but love and respect for Beehaw and its mission. I wanted a space whose reason for existence was to serve and connect queer people of all flavors. Beehaw is not (and should not be) that.

This place is that.

Where is lib dot lgbt hosted?

From a purely utilitarian standpoint, this instance is on a pretty solid hosting provider (fly.io) and I expect very little downtime. While this is obviously just a passion project for me, lib.lgbt is not hosted in my living room but in a highly available cloud datacenter; the costs for this number of users are very low and I am happy to foot them.

You may depend on the reliability and stability of this instance and this community.

Who do we federate with?

We're not interested in federating with instances that allow debate on the question of queer identities. Thus, instances that willingly host content like The_Donald, anything TERF-related, and "free speech" bastions are prime candidates for disfederation.

In the end, though, I'd love to hear from you all! What kind of community should this be? What communities should we make here? I hope you all feel welcome, and if there are any questions about any of the above, please don't hesitate to let me know.

 

What might people be interested in seeing here? Some thoughts I have:

  1. tabletop rpgs (though blahaj.zone seems to have a pretty good community on that, so maybe more of a focus on osr rpgs?)
  2. contrapoints
  3. jrpgs
  4. something programming adjacent
  5. something politics adjacent

Community creation is also open if anyone has any great ideas and wants to actualize them without any further discussion.

 

Following the reddit fiasco, I've been looking for other communities to get tech news from. I was active on HN a long time ago but it's been a hot minute, and I left because the politics were pretty bad; lots of free speech maximalists who loved to just ask questions, especially about queer people.

Is it better now? Worse? Just different?

 

I shared my fly.io Lemmy project to Hacker News and one of the first responses was “Lemmy is for tankies.”

This isn’t the first time I’d heard this either. In leaving Reddit and researching alternatives I’d heard it a fair amount.

I think it’s basically untrue; beehaw doesn’t even federate with the big tankie servers. But that seems to require some understanding of what Lemmy actually is.

So… what’s the best way to talk about it and/or get around this optics issue?

 

As I'm sure most of you noticed, you had to fill in an application to participate here.

While this can be pretty useful from a quality perspective, it is also a significantly barrier to entry; obviously you have to fill in said application, wait to be approved, and then have a sufficient level of interest to return and participate.

Lower barriers of entry can help engagement, but can also harm communities with bad actors gaining easy access.

Anyone have any opinions?

 

Basically what the title says. Tell us about yourself and how you got here!

 

I'm pretty new to the whole Lemmy thing, but I figured I'd ask peoples' opinions on whether it's worth it to get into Mastodon too now that I'm officially a member of the Fediverse.

Is it active? Is it worth it? Have you had good experiences there?

 

Hi there!

The Lemmyverse is kind of confusing, especially for a Reddit expatriate. This server is somewhat empty obviously, but it can federate with any other server that you care to join. Then you can enjoy their content, here. To do that:

  1. Find a community you care enough to join: say, Beehaw's LGBTQ+ community here.

  2. Search for that community on this server by using the little search icon in the upper right and putting in the community name and the source server inside the search box. So, in this case, [!lgbtq_plus@beehaw.org](/c/lgbtq_plus@beehaw.org).

  3. You should see the community appear in the list of search dropdowns there, or on the communities page here at https://lib.lgbt/communities/listing_type/All/page/1.

  4. Subscribe to the community and participate in it.

Welcome and enjoy your stay.

 

I thought this might be of interest to some here! I created a repo that should make it easy for someone to start up a new Lemmy instance using fly.io.

I'm using it on https://lib.lgbt and it seems to work well for me so far. I don't know how easy it is to use "out of the box" but happy to get some feedback on it.

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