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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Vernacular is literally what we're talking about. The definition of words.

You seem to be wrapping a number of ideas around the word Believe. Most notably the idea that a belief is fixed. When I say believe, I literally mean only and exactly "Accept as true", or "To hold as true", nothing more. It's literally the 1st definition. And more or less what all the other definitions are wrapped around.

What we hold as true can change at any time, and for a number of reasons. The study of them is called Epistemology. Yes. It's a real branch of science.

It's possible what you're trying to get across, is the idea that science accepts nothing as "true". It can only reject ideas as "false". And the ideas that remain un-rejected as false, are accepted, not as true, but as the best explanation we have so far. In which case I can see your point. However, remember that beliefs aren't fixed. They can also be rejected when new conflicting data is collected. That still sounds like what you mean by accept. Am I wrong?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (19 children)

Do you accept that, or believe it? What is the difference scientifically?

Webster definition 3C of Accept "to recognize as true" seems to be what I'm talking about here. Is that different than what you mean?

3C then points to Believe as a synonym. The transitive definition 1B, or intransitive 1A, seems to correlate with what Accept definition 3C means, hence the synonym nature of them. Can you clarify exactly where I'm wrong?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (12 children)

You shouldn't. They're entirely different.
There are many paths to believing something, or accepting it as true.
The least reliable is faith. It's just "wishing makes it true." Another, is personal experience. But that's easily biased, and even fooled by our limited and faulty senses. Actual repeatable evidence is the best we have so far.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (22 children)

Accept or reject, are just different words for believe or disbelieve. The evidence guides your belief.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (38 children)

I think you mean faith. Faith has nothing to do with science.
But belief absolutely does. Science is all about convincing people (scientists) to believe or disbelieve some idea.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

That may be true. I've had my car for 10 years now. It's a 2012 Accord I bought used in 2015. So I've been out of the market for some time. I've been looking at used Bolts, they're in the upper teens.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

New cars have always been a luxury good.
They've never been "affordable" to the bottom 40% of Americans.
Lower income households have always bought used cars. That's how the market works.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Credit where it's due!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago

That doesn't address my comment at all.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

One of them kind of is necessary.
If you don't have some kind of "objective standard" to decide who gets a loan or not, you're at the whims of the loan officer sitting in front of you; Including all the bias they (knowingly or not) bring to the table.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

They're a big step up from the previous alternative, that was rife with racism, abuse, and good-ole-boy advantage.

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