Perspectivist

This cup? I must say I'm relatively worry-free at the moment.

I genuinely struggle to come up with a topic for a news article more mind numbingly uninteresting than celebrity drama.

None of my nudes include face and I stand behind everything I’ve said, and I’m not that worried about it. I basically expect that one day some supercomputer will stitch it all together and create profiles for everyone based on our entire internet histories. And honestly, I don’t think it’s the quirky people with weird fetishes who’ll be screwed - it’s the mean, lying hypocrites who’ll have to stand behind the mountain of crap they’ve been spewing for decades.

Never liked Jack Black and I can't point to why

Sure, many are in families that push them to do it, but in the end it’s not like they’re not allowed not to by the religion

I never claimed otherwise. It’s the lived experience that matters, not the literal interpretation of the original text.

As I said elsewhere in the thread: The Quran and hadiths, while not always explicit, make multiple references to how women should dress. Different countries and religious sects interpret these rules differently, but it all boils down to the same thing: in these cultures, there are consequences for women who don’t follow the tradition.

My issue isn’t with covering your face or hair - it’s when the person isn’t truly free to choose. And I’d argue that, especially when it comes to the burka or niqab, that’s the case for a genuinely high percentage.

At this point I've mostly been debating the degree to which women wear these willingly - not whether they should be banned in Finland.

I'd say killing a person because you were drunk driving is worse offence than killing someone because you fell a sleep but neither of them are intentional. If he did this because he hates cyclists it would be a whole another story.

No, it’s universally bad - not just in my society.

I think we both agree that telling women what to wear is wrong. The rest of the disagreement seems to boil down to how much each of us thinks they truly have the freedom to choose. I doubt you’ll change my mind on that, and it seems I won’t change yours either - but that’s okay, because I think we’re still on the same page when it comes to the core belief in bodily autonomy.

I don’t think it’s outside the scope of this conversation, since these are examples of dress codes forced upon women under Islam. The Quran and hadiths, while not always explicit, make multiple references to how women should dress. Different countries and religious sects interpret these rules differently, but it all boils down to the same thing: in these cultures, there are consequences for women who don’t follow the tradition.

I'll quote my other comment:

In Iran, women are required by law to wear the hijab. In Afghanistan, they’re required by the Taliban to wear a burka or at least a niqab. In Sudan, hijab was mandatory for women until 2019, and the same applies in Saudi Arabia and the Aceh province of Indonesia.

I'm not saying that literally nobody wears burka or niqab willingly but I think we have enough examples of it being forced upon them that it doesn't seem like a huge stretch for me to generalize that it's the rule rather than exception.

Almost every single post from you mentions that you're a single mom to a 13 year old boy and you ask about things like co-sleeping, wether it's okay to wear bikinis in front of your son and his friends, how to teach them about bodily changes during puberty and now you're a stripper as well.

I've been seeing you around here for a while now and there's seems to be a theme here.

Strawmanning, motte-and-bailey, whataboutism, moving the goalposts, ad hominem, false equivalence and dismissive sarcasm.

Was there a sale at the bad-faith argument tactics store?