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[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I love it when people call a transitional economy state capitalist because it betrays a lack of understanding of actually existing capitalism and the role the state plays in it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Note the lack of citation.

Also yeah Yeltsin was a real hero, just don't ask what he did after he bombarded parliament, and don't ask why the US had to interfere in former USSR elections including the 1996 Russian election to make sure that nationalists and not communists won.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

This was the text (translated):

Do you consider it necessary to preserve the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics, in which the rights and freedoms of a person of any nationality will be fully guaranteed?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

I am however saying that regardless of the facts

That's nice, have a good day!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Because immigrants are already biased due to having to leave, and they're still generally normal about China.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I never made that argument though. Are you here to shadowbox or talk?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

The new union treaty should have been stopped based on the results of the referendum, which overwhelmingly supported the maintaining of the current federal system.

Soviet Union had a single referendum and it immediately caused a coup and destruction of the whole Union. No wonder they didn’t want to have them before lel

The soviet union was constantly under siege since its infancy. Its latter years were marked with reforms which took power away from the local level of federated democracy and liberalized many aspects of their society. At the end capitalist viewpoints were being printed and published in state run and paid for media. It died a death of a thousand cuts since ww2 killed so many of their rank and file best-disrupting their lower level democracy-, and Stalin's re-democratization efforts were cut short by his assassination.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

who told you not to trust the American government.

You don't have to be told not to trust it. Even deluded Chuds who guzzle US corporate propaganda all day don't trust it.

Further the meme implies one should trust the Chinese government presumably because an untrustworthy source told you not to which is a mentally stunted view.

No, the meme implies that your distrust isn't justified, not that trust is justified.

Not being trapped under the direct influence of the Chinese government, there are clearly many of reasons not to trust that government either.

Okay, have you talked to any recent(as in the last 10 years) immigrants from China who don't make way over the median US income? Or hell, earlier immigrants mostly only complain about the liberalization period under Deng.

There is no reason to trust any government. A basic understanding of history should make it clear that this is true of any government that has ever existed

This doesn't really acknowledge the class character of the state.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Saying that they do propaganda and censorship as like a "you can't trust them" justification is ridiculous though. Literally all states do those things, and non-state solutions don't work, as has been repeatedly demonstrated.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children)

True intellectualism is doing proper investigation before speaking. How many ordinary Chinese people have you talked to? Have you visited China?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children)

It died because after a referendum for its dissolution failed, there was a power struggle as the communists tried to prevent Yeltsin from doing it anyway, and Yeltsin ended up ordering tanks to fire on the parliament building until the communist pro-democracy forces surrendered. Then the soviet union broke up and 7 million people died from capitalist shock therapy aided by bourgeois "democratic" governments.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (9 children)

The point is you're making an unsourced claim which doesn't align with the topic of conversation.

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