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Mbin in the last six months doubled their number of comments being sent out across the wider Fediverse. PieFed is making strides forward all the time. Sublinks hasn't seemed to keep up, but Lemmy.World has floated the idea of potentially moving to it at some point.

So we are not all just "Lemmy" anymore. Though "Fediverse" seems far too broad a term, when it can include such diverse aspects as PixelFed (like Instagram) as well as Mbin or Xhitter as well as Lemmy or PieFed or Sublinks - see e.g. A lot of good stuff is happening in the fediverses!

So people have taken to calling us the "Threadiverse". Tbf that name predated Mark Zuckerberg's "Threads", but still that name now seems tainted by it? Though otherwise accurate & precisely descriptive as it emphasizes how people talk in topic-based conversations, rather than the user-focused approach of Mastodon and Xhitter.

So what I do (when I don't say that we are on the Fediverse) is simply list out all the possibilities - Lemmy, Mbin, PieFed, and soon Sublinks - though that gets cumbersome. Or maybe there's a new term that we could use? @[email protected] mentioned:

most people think of microblogging when they hear "Fediverse". Maybe "Nestedverse" or "Forumverse"?

Or I suppose we could say "Threadiverse except don't worry we specifically exclude Threads", whenever we talk about ourselves, especially to mainstream people (who don't use Arch btw!:-P) e.g. to people on Reddit. (oh who am I kidding, ofc I mean @[email protected], who regularly tries to attract new users to here and deserves some kind of award like "Ambassador of Lemmy" - oh and there we go again, just what the heck are we!?:-P)

Also, it is up to each instance whether they want to specifically exclude threads.net or not - and one could in theory not do that, so that whenever threads.net decides to turn on its federation it would absolutely flood that instance with content, drowning out the source from Lemmy (or WHATEVER we are!:-D).

So it can all get so complicated - what would help simplify it? Just call it "Lemmy" and leave it at that? Unless Lemmy.World moves to Sublinks, that is where >80% of the userbase lies and therefore much of the content is coming from atm. Or "Fediverse" even if that is too broad? Or "Threadiverse" even though that's a loaded word now? Or something new? (ngl, I kinda REALLY like "Forumverse")

People will call it whatever they want ofc - I intended this to be a silly & fun question to provoke us into thinking about it:-). Especially since I'm posting to Lemmy from PieFed - which is fucking beautiful that none of those details actually matters and we all can just share the content and enjoy it, together!:-D

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You - no we - are not alone.

I keep seeing people ask for this. There are basically only two ways, neither of which are terribly easy unless you are willing to switch to a Lemmy alternative and then it can be a breeze with just a couple of button clicks.

First, note that on base Lemmy, it basically cannot be done, short of either spinning up your own instance or trying to do some advanced programming with spamblock filtering rules (that is likely to mess up the pages in some way). There is a related feature though - in User -> Settings -> Blocks -> scroll waaay down -> Block instance - except that unlike blocking a community or a user, this does not actually "block an instance", and instead merely (& misleadingly?) hides the communities on those instances. You will still see comments from those users, they can still downvote you, and ping your notifications, etc.

About the only thing the above approach offers beyond blocking those communities individually is that if ever new communities were to be made from those instances, they would be automatically hidden from your account. So not all that helpful imho.

(1) Use an App

I have heard that the Sync and Connect apps (+ maybe others?) offer this, as well as a plethora of other features. Note that Voyager does not work for this - it is the same type of blocking as mentioned above.

Check them out? If anyone wants to supplement this section, please submit a post to this community to help people who want to know! (and/or at least add it in the comments here)

(2) Lemmy Alternatives

What I do use is PieFed.social, which in addition to this feature also offers several other advancements not currently available in Lemmy such as Categories of Communities that makes finding additional content a breeze (though overall it is not as feature-rich or easy to use as base Lemmy; and yet its choice to use Python rather than Rust should help it to catch up extremely quickly, plus the admins are extraordinarily responsive to deal with any issues).

To block all users from a PieFed instance, the easiest way is to start from a user on that instance, click their account, then click More -> Block everyone from [instance_name]. Or you could go to a page with the instance name in the url, like https://piefed.social/instance/lemmy.ml and just click "Block everyone from [instance_name]" there.

PieFed also offers additional opportunities in-between blocking trolls vs. not doing so: accounts that meet certain criteria levels will have icons placed next to the account name, so that you can still see their content (rather than have it automatically removed) but not have to spend as much time parsing it as you would something that is more likely to have been offered in good faith.

Mbin likewise offers Categories, and cross-connection with Mastodon. Overall I find that whole style confusing - e.g. "communities" become "magazines", downvotes become "reduces", upvotes are both "favorites" and also upvotes exist too that are entirely separate from that, plus you can see who offers favorites, but only from other Mbin/Kbin users and you cannot see the same for reduces. ~~Though if you want Mastodon integration with Lemmy in one account, this is definitely the way to go (b/c it's the only one that does both:-)~~. From @[email protected]:

It's not anywhere in the settings at all, lol. Like a hidden option. You have to go to the url https://fedia.io/d/[instance_domain_name], like https://fedia.io/d/lemmy.ml. Then it will give you the ability to block, and that block will be reflected in your settings page.

Edit: according to @[email protected], this does not actually work:-(.

Either of these alternatives should make you quite happy with the result!:-)

(3) Honorable mention: relying upon an instance admin

As a normal user, not an admin yourself, you cannot implement a custom block of users from any specified instance. However, you can either ask your current admins to implement such a block for you (would need the support of the entire community on that instance ofc), or move your account to one that has already done so?

The only instances I've ever heard of that block the big-3 (lemmygrad.ml, hexbear.net, and lemmy.ml) are:

• lemmy.cafe - has very welcoming messages, including a link guiding new users to this community!:-)
• Tesseract on dubvee.org - extremely impressive, if not for everyone, but definitely worth a look
• quokk.au

The caveat to all of these is that each is a single-admin instance. Those of us who recall the story of e.g. Kbin.social (or dmv.social or so many others) know how worrisome that can be in that it could vanish overnight with little to no warning. Then again, unlike Kbin.social, they seem quite healthy for now - definitely worth at least taking a look?

I have enjoyed PieFed much more from my desktop and I finally figured out why: the theme keeps disappearing, leaving blank white text that is harder to read.

Starting fresh (restarting my mobile device, force-quitting the Firefox app, and loading it again), and starting from the homepage at https://piefed.social, clicking most links will cause the theme to be discarded. On mobile Firefox though not mobile Chrome, nor various desktop browsers. I am using Firefox version 132.0, last updated October 21, 2024, and Android version 14, and this effect has persisted I think since I made my account here last week. Firefox mobile seems an important target for our FOSS userbase:-).

The themes affected include PieFed and Card Shadow, though Hercules 1982 seems unaffected (I did not test that one as extensively). The button links I tried visiting included: the homepage (again, even if already on it), any post, any community, my Account->View profile, the "more communities" button, etc. - even the "back" button, after force-quitting the App and restarting it again. Always the text would switch from blue to white. Reloading the page does not help - only force-quitting the app and restarting it will restore functionality, until a link is clicked that is. Even after the theme is discarded, opening a link in a new tab will restore it to work - only in the new tab ofc, not the old one.

I hope this report helps PieFed to improve!:-)

I gather that it had a use unrelated to Lemmy but for Lemmy posts I make a case here that it is more misleading than helpful. For a moment, please ignore the underlying reasons why things are the way they are and focus on how the issue presents to the end-users.

(1) By pulling in solely the post, but not any of the comments, it at best provides only partial information - which if all you wanted to read was the post, then why bother pulling it here at all? (as opposed to retrieving from its original location - I mean, to do it you already need the full URL...) While if instead you wanted all of the comments... - e.g. to be able to reply to - then too bad, b/c it won't do that?

(2) It also does not pull in any of the old vote counts. So if hypothetically a post had 1000 upvotes, and then after pulling it here it received adjustments +2 from upvotes and -4 from downvotes, then its total would then be 998, right? Except PieFed would instead display "-2", a qualitatively different score for a highly popular post that is a terrible misrepresentation of the actual facts about it.

(3) It conveys a distorted view of things to the end-users. e.g. see [email protected] where there are 6 posts from the last 2 months, right? Right?! No, there is actually only a single post there in its entirety, then a few more that I and what I assume was Blaze pulled in - note how those other 5 have zero comments, and total scores near zero, due to the aforementioned issues. Really the "earliest" post that PieFed.social reliably has from that community is from 4 days ago, and then beyond that is a scattered, partial mess. There are actually MANY more posts from the last two months, which are not represented here. Ergo, the initial impression that a quick glance at this community offers turns out to be false, due to these federation issues.

(4) showing only partial information is often called a "false positive" or type I style of error, whereas showing nothing at all for those posts that are not fully here avoids that pitfall. If certain content is not here then... well it is not here, and that's that, but for only some of it to be here leads to much confusion, imho.

Almost entirely distinct from this issue, the ability to find an existing post given its URL should be added to the search menu, b/c that is where people will go to find it. But ofc all the more so if the retrieval button is removed or made less prominent, so that that find ability is not lost along with that.

I understand that there are hard limitations of the federated model itself. So if e.g. older comments and votes cannot retroactively be pulled in - or possibly even if so - then maybe this function should just be abolished? Or perhaps a couple more layers of "are you sure you want to do this?" added, or better yet moving it from its prominent place showing up to everyone on almost every page to a more subdued location where only those who know what it is and what will happen if it is used are likely to access it? I now feel that I actively made the situation in [email protected] worse by pulling in those posts, and wished now that I hadn't done so, as it could lead people astray into thinking "this is all the posts that the community has to offer from this time-period" (NO, it actually has MANY MANY more than that, on the original server!?!!). Now that I know this I can refrain from using it, but it would be nice to help others who climb this ladder after me as well:-). So I am sharing my thoughts with you in case that helps.

PieFed is freaking awesome and you all who work on it are magnificently extraordinary to share your knowledge with the world:-).

See e.g. https://piefed.social/communities?search=forward - there are 2 communities listed there, both go to the same place if you click them, and that place has no posts from the last 3 days.

It almost looks like the existence of the second version of that community - changed mere seconds ago at the time of my writing this, except again, when you click the link it doesn't show anything new for several days - is soaking up all the new posts, but since it is inaccessible by the normal means those new entities cannot be accessed.

This is my favorite spot in the Fediverse, so I hope it is addressed soon! That community in particular is doing great work to make the Fediverse fun & welcoming to come to by all us nerds:-).