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Started watching Farscape. I've only seen season 1 when it aired in Finland the first time. It's stuck with me ever since and while it certainly has a lot of problems, it holds up quite well as a camp scifi action show.

there is a completely different islam being followed in americia.

Yes, in fact there are many different types of Islam followed in different countries. America is not unique in that way. Even within many Muslim countries there are different sects of worshippers. Not everyone follows the mainstream interpretation.

you guys think of islam as a completely peaceful religion.

I certainly don't think that, nor does anyone with any common sense. As well as no one should consider Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism or even Buddishm as completely peaceful. Every religion has built within it a framework that can be used to promote and justify violence.

I don't understand how rest of your post relates to what was said before, but I than you for the info you provided.

Here's a more detailed info about polygamy in different countries: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/12/07/polygamy-is-rare-around-the-world-and-mostly-confined-to-a-few-regions/

I think there is a widely shared misconcpetion in the West that the models and values of a society and governance are universal. This is a very colonial mindset, even when the intent is benevolent.

Note that I am not an expert on Afghan society so if someone knows better, please correct me.

My perspective is, and like others here have pointed out, that Afghanistan has never been a state in the sense we understand states being. Concepts such as central government, civil society, national army were brought in by the English in the 19th century. Small parts of the society were organized based on western ideals (in supervision of the Brits) but most of the country remained decentralized, traditionalist and tribal. This is not to say that this is somehow worse, it is an ancient way of life with very rich traditions and it is something that has kept people in there are alive for centuries. For big part of the country things like nationalism, democracy, institutions, politics etc. are just indifferent.

With background like this it's no wonder Afghans were not able to build a society that mimicis western ideals. 20 years (or even 50) is a relatively short time when compared to traditions and interpretations of religion that have existed for hundreds of years. Sure, some people benefitted from the British, Soviet and the US presence, but i'd guess those that genuinely wanted to turn Afghanistan into a modern state, were in a great minority. In a society based on family and tribal ties, things like politics or civil society don't mean much if anything. Ethics are very different from the European traditions too.

Unfortunately Taleban is the only group there with power and organization that can form anything resembling a centralized nation state. The problem is that they are fundamentalist lunatics. While there are people who oppose them, it is very difficult to get enough people organized and overcome the fear of brutal punishments by the regime.

Because the civil society is small and disorganized, most of the people are apolitical and couldn't care less how the society is organized. I'd wager that most men in any position care about making a living and being left alone. Those who don't, try to leave the country. There just isn't a structure that allows for a major rebellion.

Sorry, I'm bad at math (even though it was a rhetorical question) 😃

I'd like to point out however, that while having 4 wives might be allowed in some branches of Islam, there are others where this is not the case. So while Taliban might allow it (and I don't know whether they do as I am not an expert, but I'm currently too lazy to check it out), not everyone in the Muslim world does.

I say this because us living in the west have a very limited view of Islam and generally it is bad to enforce stereotypes. So this was not aimed against you, just pointing out something that bothers me in general 🙂

Uskonto ei omasta mielestänikään kuulu julkisiin palveluihin, mutta kyllä ainakin oma kokemukseni on, että jos nimenomaan luterilainen kirkko järjestää jotakin, niin ei siinä välttämättä ole mitään käännytysmissiota taustalla. Riippuu tyystin siitä, että keitä sinne on palkattu toimintaa ja tukipalveluita vetämään. Seurakunnissakin nimittäin työskentelee ihmisiä, jotka ovat sekulaareja, eivätkä käy kirkossa tai usko työnantajansa opetuksiin sellaisinaan.

Kyllä tässä ainakin omaan nenääni haiskahtaa halu olla tarpeellinen ja rakentava osa yhteiskuntaa myös sellaisille, jotka eivät uskonkäsitystä kirkon kanssa jaa. Toki ymmärrän, että osa tuota vierastaa.

Herätysliikkeet ja kaiken maailman lahkot ovat sitten oma juttunsa. Niillä on lähes poikkeuksetta oma motiivi.

Itse kuitenkin ateistina/agnostikkona pidän Ev.lut. kirkkoa pääasiassa ihan asiallisena julkisena toimijana. Se on kuitenkin laissa säädeltyä toimintaa, johon rivijäsenetkin pääsee välillisesti vaikuttamaan (kirkollisvaalit). Aika harvassa ovat tuollaiset uskonnolliset yhteisöt maailmassa.

En ole Venäjä-asiantuntija, mutta kyllähän tuossa haiskahtaa ennen kaikkea halua tulla huomautuksi ja osoittaa oma asemansa. Varsinaista valta-asemaa Metukalla ei kuitenkaan nykypäivänä ole: kaveri istuu lähes merkityksettömässä edustustehtävässä ja huhujen mukaan kuppi maistuu taajaan.

Jos tässä jotain muuta merkitystä pitäisi nähdä, niin kyllähän tuollaiset puheet pyrkivät pelottelemaan Ukrainan länsimaisia tukijoita, jotta nämä lopettaisivat tukensa ja painostaisivat Ukrainaa huonoon rauhaan. Ei tule näillä puheilla tapahtumaan. Lisäksi Venäjälle on kyllä kaikkialta (myös Kiinasta) signaloitu, että ydinaseiden käyttö olisi hyökkäyssootakin suurempi virhe. Itse pidän ydinaseeseen turvautumista mahdollisena, mutten todennäköisenä (ja edelleen, en ole asiantuntija, vaan tämä pohjautuu siihen tietoon ja näkökulmiin, mitä sotaa seuratessa on tullut vastaan).

Siinä muuten sana jota en ole kuullut ainakaan 20 vuoteen. Tajusin kuitenkin heti millaisia pelejä tarkoitat. Those were the days...

Uh, they've been in war like state most of the time since 1970s. Wars caused by outsiders. I'm pretty sure that at this point, most people just want to live in peace, no matter how shitty that peace is.

This is in part where the Taliban's strength stems from: at least they are domestic oppressors, not troops from abroad.

Depends who you are, I guess. For women, leaving alone is very difficult if not impossible as you would need a male guardian to escort you.

As a man it it's easier but comes down to the money. Most people there are very poor and in a country where family an tribal ties are really important, it is very difficult to pack up your things and leave.

Also, poor Afgan refugees are not received very well by other countries. They are also afraid of the lunacy of the fundamentalist religious movement spreading.

Like any country Afganistan has wealthy people too and for them leaving is probably the easiest.

On general note, Afganistan is a prime example of what a fundamentalist leadership and religion can lead to. Can happen in other countries and outside of Islam too. We should be aware of this.

Juu no, ihan tommosen hifistelyyn ei ole tarvetta. Jos nyt isolta screeniltä hyvällä äänentoistolla näkisi, niin olen tyytyväinen. Paikallisessa myös iSense, mutta ilmankin pärjää.

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Olin lähellä lähteä itsekin, mutta osui huonolle viikonlopulle. Oliko loppuunmyyty?