My stance is clear if you re-read what I wrote. It is clear and self contained in a simple linear fashion. Your reply meanders in some strange way that seems to imply that China's healthcare is capitalistic, or that it isn't, or maybe that it will be and is becoming more capitalistic, or maybe that it isn't, who knows. I certainly can't really tell by what you've written or the evidence you've presented because it seems to support all these stances all at once. It's hard to tell if you actually believe whatever it is you are trying to present or if you don't because of this contradictory incoherence in your reddit-brained attempt to gish-gallop every sentence I wrote individually. There is no thesis or antithesis in it. There is no dialectic. It's complete liberal nonsense. Honestly, I'd expect a reply like yours to be from a Lemmy user, it's that bad, and I'm not impressed by your feigning to not understand what I wrote in clear, plain English.
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What makes ya'll think Costco didn't just pay this youtuber for a fluff piece?
For some reason I think there is something similar somewhere in Japan and maybe in a European city. I don't think either are exactly the same.
I don't understand how you can't see how every other point you make contradicts a previous point or quote you made to try and support your position but then I see the reddit-debate brain style of debate you engage in and it makes sense.
I've not been able to successfully link directly to any videos yet unless they are shared within the app itself. Either way, search for this and you might find it as it is the title of the video:
I'll tell you the truth我来告诉你真相
Be aware some Chinese users are claiming she is a fraud and this is a house she abandoned and she really lives in the city. That this is her trying to get a following to monetize her account.
I was reading the comments on that video; I'll post both the Mandarin and translation:
她在中国另一个平台是一个拥有2.2万粉丝的博主，在城市里有车有房过着富裕的生活，以她一口流利的英语就知道她是接受过大学教育的人。这只是她的祖宅，年久失修，因为不会长久居住（甚至不住）。至于为什么在这里哭穷，聪明的中国人都知道。流量能让她赚更多的钱！ She is a blogger with 22,000 followers on another platform in China. She has a car and a house and lives a wealthy life in the city. From her fluent English, we can tell that she is a college-educated person. This is just her ancestral home, which has fallen into disrepair because she will not live in it for a long time (or even not live in it). As for why she is crying poor here, smart Chinese people know it. Traffic can make her more money!
因为她确实在欺骗你们，这个房子不是她最近几年住的房子。在中国，能说英语，普通话流畅的女性，绝对是接受过很好教育的。根据她受教育程度，她的收入不会低。她居住房子肯定是在城市里，她特意跑回很多年前已经抛弃的危房拍视频以吸引流量。你们这些外国人，已经有人提出要给她钱。虽然她拒绝了，因为她知道她一旦接受钱，我们就会举报她诈骗！
Because she is really deceiving you. This house is not the one she has lived in in recent years. In China, a woman who can speak English and fluent Mandarin is definitely well educated. According to her education level, her income is not low. The house she lives in must be in the city. She deliberately went back to the abandoned dilapidated house many years ago to shoot videos to attract traffic. You foreigners, someone has offered to give her money. Although she refused, because she knew that if she accepted the money, we would report her for fraud!
It's a cool tourist city for the Chinese visitors as well. Watch any of the videos on it and look at all the Chinese people marveling at their culture's own achievements. Especially the train through the building. That's not a thing you see pretty much anywhere else in the world except maybe a few places, though I can't think of any offhand.
Why not post the rest of that announcement? Is it because it harms your point?
These hospitals will be private but are clearly not an attempt to privatize the healthcare industry there. They are only permitted in a few of the already designated special economic zones. In order for them to be able to be covered under China's payment they have to price everything according to China's pricing policy. In other words, they don't get to set any prices. They have to subject themselves to direct supervision by regulators. They don't even have the ability to do any transplants, no psychiatric hospital stuff, and so on. Additionally, they have to be plugged into everything any other hospital has to be plugged into in China for medical record keeping. On top of all that it's not like China sells the land to these companies and lets them run wild. They give them a conditional land-lease. If they don't live up to all the expectations given to them it will be revoked and their facilities appropriated by the Chinese government, as should happen.
Functionally, this is NOTHING like western capitalism except a private company is going to be building these hospitals. If they can make a profit then they will get that but if they don't China will literally not give a shit and just take them over.
I think making comparisons is fine. I think there are comparable things. But cherry picking the parts of a news release you like to try and make your point is cheap and you know it.
It's a fair enough criticism, I think. But remember we are contextualizing this through the lens of western capitalism and it does not exist in that environment. I think the comparison is fine but we have to remember that we are merely trying to understand this from a perspective that makes sense to us, which is not exactly how it is existing in reality.
From what I've learned from Chinese users is that they do pay for healthcare and they do have insurance. The insurance is essentially "medicare for all" and covers a ton of expenses. You pay like $70 per YEAR for it. That's so you can go to the hospital and have a baby for like $10 total, for instance. Additionally, you can get private insurance which pretty much covers everything else. So that's the system the reformed to.
It is basically if Bernie Sanders won and all his dreams came true to their full fruition.
We live in the bad place.
And they were also two different countries and two different cultures. When comparing two events they are never the same. It's asinine to point out 1 or 2 differences between them and say they "they are not the same" and therefore cannot be compared. Especially in this case when the criticisms from blue liberals was over the treatment by authorities in one instance vs the other. The comparison is therefore completely fine. I was not comparing the reasons behind the protests and the critiques from those fools was never about that.
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