Kieselguhr

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

It's astounding to me that liberals pretend that communism and nazism are on par:

  • according to VoC style Hungarian right wing propagandist organization 700 political prisoners* were executed in Hungary during the 45 years of Hungarian communism
  • while the Hungarian nazis murdered 600 000 Hungarian Jews in the Holocaust in a couple of years

The difference is in the order of magnitude is THOUSAND! 1000x more victims even compared to inflated VoC numbers.

Anticommunism is basically holocaust denial.

edit, forgot to mention the obvious: many many of that 700 executed were nazis

[–] [email protected] 76 points 2 years ago (9 children)

So we arrived at the second week of Hunkagate. Krisztian Ungvary, Hungarian liberal(?) historian, Timothy Snyder's buddy, decided to write an op-ed on the biggest Hungarian liberal news site saying that just because someone volunteered for the Waffen-SS does not automatically make him a war criminal, and instead of judging people like Hunka, we should recognize their suffering, and we should be mindful not to believe Russian and/or Orbanist propaganda.

A new low for Hungarian liberals, truly disgusting.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, that is the book. It was written and published by The Anti-Fascist Fighters' Council in the DDR and other Warsaw Pact countries. I have it in translation, but I don't know if it was ever translated to English.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

There is a book called Waffen-SS im Einsatz (Waffen-SS in Action), published in West Germany in the 50s - this is pure Nazi apologia. The DDR in response published SS im Einsatz, which details the war crimes of the SS with documents and witness accounts in 600 pages. I have this book on my shelf.

The last chapter is titled: "The rehabilitation of the SS and its incorporation into the West German NATO armed forces" I started reading it and it gives us details as to what happed to Waffen-SS officers who stayed in West-Germany.

Kurt Meyer, an SS brigadeführer and commander of the 12th SS Panzer Division "Hitlerjugend", was sentenced to death in 1947 for the murder of Canadian prisoners of war. His sentence was later commuted to 20 years in prison, and he was released before the end of his sentence. He received compensation of 4,800 marks for his "suffered" imprisonment.

This was from the book.

Next I'm going to paraphrase wikipedia:

In early 1943, Meyer's reconnaissance battalion participated in the Third Battle of Kharkov. He reportedly ordered the destruction of a village during the fighting around Kharkov and the murder of all its inhabitants.

On 12 February, LSSAH troops had occupied two villages: Yefremovka and Semyonovka. Retreating Soviet forces had wounded two SS officers. In retaliation, LSSAH troops killed 872 men, women and children five days later; about 240 were burned alive in the church in Yefremovka.

The Ardenne Abbey massacre occurred during the Battle of Normandy at the Ardenne Abbey, a Premonstratensian monastery in Saint-Germain-la-Blanche-Herbe, near Caen, France. In June 1944, 20 Canadian soldiers were massacred in a garden at the abbey by members of the 12th SS Panzer Division Hitlerjugend over the course of several days and weeks. This was part of the Normandy Massacres, a series of scattered killings during which up to 156 Canadian prisoners of war were murdered by soldiers of the 12th SS Panzer Division during the Battle of Normandy. The perpetrators of the massacre, members of the 12th SS Panzer Division, were known for their fanaticism, the majority having been drawn from the Hitlerjugend or Hitler Youth.

Meyer petitioned for clemency in late 1950, offering to serve in a Canadian or United Nations military force if released. At the time, the new West German government was seeking the release of German war criminals incarcerated in Allied prisons, and the Canadian and other western Allied governments were looking to gain West German support for NATO to oppose possible Soviet aggression in Europe. The Canadian government was willing to let him return to a German prison, but not release him outright; he was transferred to a British military prison in Werl, West Germany, in 1951. Meyer was released from prison on 7 September 1954, after the Canadian government approved a reduction of his sentence to fourteen years. When he returned to Germany in 1951, he told a reporter that nationalism was past and that "a united Europe is now the only answer".

Regardless of his claims, Meyer always remained a covert, steadfast adherent of Nazism.

Meyer experienced poor health later in life, with heart and kidney disease and requiring the use of a cane. After a series of mild strokes, he died of a heart attack in Hagen, Westphalia, on 23 December 1961. Fifteen thousand people attended his funeral in Hagen, with the customary cushion-bearer carrying his medals in the cortege.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

I don't remember that this level of bothsideism was prevalent before. Sure, there was anticommunist propaganda in the 90s and before, but even libs agreed that USSR was on the "good side" during ww2. Now they pretend that the Red Army defeating Nazi Germany is some kind tertiary thing compared to the Non-Aggression pact.

Nowadays you cannot even get a lib to say the words: "The USSR was on the good side against the Nazis."

edit: worth a read

[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago (7 children)

The second wave of Hunkagate is twitter libs claiming that USSR ackshually was one of the Axis powers and Stalin was worse.

I'm going to become the Joker

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Libs always forget about the leaked Pentagon papers saying that behind closed doors the top brass and the politicians knew the truth. And now only a couple of years later the MSM pretends that this same western elite is trustworthy. Either they have a memory of a goldfish or they are cynical liars.

Imagine that the paper you work at publishes this, then 3 years later you believe that Ukraine is doing great actually because politicians said so.

Several of those interviewed described explicit and sustained efforts by the U.S. government to deliberately mislead the public. They said it was common at military headquarters in Kabul — and at the White House — to distort statistics to make it appear the United States was winning the war when that was not the case.

"But this time it's different! They are telling the truth, you tankie conspiracy theorist!"

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago

Thank you for sharing, I think I'm going to throw up.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lincoln didn't actually care about slavery and was just trying to destroy the southern economy

You know, it's interesting because I think that socialist era Eastern European textbooks say that the US Civil War was a war between industrial capitalists of the North and the slave owning plantation capitalists of the South, and slavery was just a surface issue between them. Probably got this from Charles A. Beard or someone.

(I only vaguely remember this though from reading it years ago.)

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Communists being portrayed as another Axis faction (if we're not there already)

reddit-logo is already there. They pretend that the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was some kind of all out alliance to conquer & divide Eastern Europe.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago

surely there would've been more steps between you hurt me *NOW I'LL END THE WORLDDD!11!!!!" nonsense.

You forgot he's mad, dying, evil, and literally Voldemort.

This from the other new Hersh article:

“Yes,” the official said, “Putin did something stupid, no matter how provoked, by violating the UN charter and so did we”—meaning President Biden’s decision to wage a proxy war with Russia by funding Zelensky and his military. “And so now we have to paint him black, with the help of the media, in order to justify our mistake.” He was referring to a secret disinformation operation that was aimed at diminishing Putin, undertaken by the CIA in coordination with elements of British intelligence. The successful operation led major media outlets here and in London to report that the Russian president was suffering from varied illnesses that included blood disorders and a serious cancer. One oft-quoted story had Putin being treated by heavy doses of steroids. Not all were fooled. The Guardian skeptically reported in May of 2022 that the rumors “spanned the gamut: Vladimir Putin is suffering from cancer or Parkinson’s disease, say unconfirmed and unverified reports.” But many major news organizations took the bait. In June 2022, Newsweek splashed what it billed a major scoop, citing unnamed sources saying that Putin had undergone treatment two months earlier for advanced cancer: “Putin’s grip is strong but no longer absolute. The jockeying inside the Kremlin has never been more intense. . . . everyone sensing that the end is near.”

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