Kentifer

Sometimes I'm attracted to men. Sometimes I read this shit. There is no overlap.

At this point, it's a recurring headline.

So... They'll vote to uphold it?

Huh, I learned it about clothes and men. I like yours better.

Call it intuition if you need to label it. But having spent most of my life passing as a man, and flying under the radar sometimes (in that people didn't immediately know that I was gay), I just heard a lot more misogyny than homophobia. That's probably just the guys that I know. But it has influenced me.

In my experience, men don't sexualize women to appreciate their beauty, but to demean them. It makes them feel powerful.

To be "more worried" implies I'd be on the lookout for, not making accusations using only the mod as proof. It raises my hackles.

And I'm not saying that homophobia, internalized or not, shouldn't be considered. Homophobia and misogyny go hand-in-hand quite often. My point was merely that I'd be looking for misogyny first. because someone who wants women's bodies to be exposed but wants or allows men to be more covered up clearly values the two groups differently.

As you say, there are other reasons to engage in such behavior. But a) I'm probably going to be reasonably skeptical of those reasons and b) even if they have those reasons, it doesn't make them not a misogynist.

FWIW I'm gay and nonbinary. I get where concern for homophobia is coming from. It's just not my first thought in the specific scenario we're discussing.

If you're interested in discourse, read what I already wrote. I said "I'd be more worried about misogyny" not that it would in fact make a person misogynistic. Is is a problem to acknowledge that some people who would engage in that kind of behavior might be misogynistic in your mind?

I told you don't need to agree with me. Can we leave it at that? Or do you think it's your job to change my mind?

I mean, if we're taking the example of flattening an ass on men and leaving round, partially exposed asses on women, I think we're going beyond objectifying people. The game let's you run around naked with genitals on display. If someone wants to have that kind of play experience, they can do it without mods. So if they feel the need to desexualize men and leave women in sexual roles, it tells me something about how they see women.

I'm not asking you to come to the same conclusion. You're free to feel however you want.

Obviously, given that the mod seems to be just Asterion, it's not a real concern. But if they were leaving women as they are (scantily clad, revealing outfits, etc) and de-sexualizing I'd be more concerned about why they feel it's okay to objectify women and not men.

But it seems like it's a moot point, anyway.

The world is turning against Israel. Netanyahu is headed for a jail cell.

I was on your side until that gibberish about Chicago style pizza.