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Pierre Broue wrote the definitive book on the German revolution. Its kind of a doorstop but the events that surrounded the death of Rosa Luxemburg are not black and white. The Vorwarts siege was led by a mob of radical anarchists that was taken over by police infiltrators, not social democrats. You cant compare the SPD to anything anywhere in the world, the SPD was the most powerful party in Germany, they weren't even remotely comparable to DSA. And Rosa was in the SPD, she believed in the party until she was killed by police. People's entire life was contained in the party, it was incredible. But it got fucked up by power and capital. Just because Ebert was a member of the SPD doesn't make all social democrats Ebert. Well, unless someone want to have an excuse to kill leftists and then I guess any justification will do fine. I'm not even a social democrat but I'm in DSA so fuck me

Won't read a book but you can't wait to purge me

Read Broue

I've been secretly wondering this same thing for the last 6 months or so.

I'm really sick of homophones too, its reactionary when people can't think of words that sound different, expand your damn vocabulary

I'm not reading that I hope it took like 2 hours to write. I don't need any of this explained to me because its my life.

I've found this interaction demoralizing and I'm sure that your constant nay saying is driving people away from the socialist ideas. But what would I know, I'm.just a counterproductive, cynical reactionary liberal. Thank god a real leftist stood up to show me the way back to the armchair. Here my politics are immaculate and untouched from reality, where opinion becomes truth

I have an internal document from them that we have been using to help with our messaging. So they are still a functioning body, with increasing influence.

As for socials, the reason BDS WG no longer exists is because of their socials. Their existence wasn't snuffed out by some shady internal body, it was voted on by the delegation and they lost because they failed to win over a majority (super majority? I'd have to look it up) of the delegation. Which means that even if their positions were correct, which has proven to be the case, their politics were lagging. All the "uncompromising solidarity" got them shut down, and now the org needs them, so great job. I'm glad to see you have some familiarity with some of the details but they're still put together strangely.

Yeah the former NPC punished the BDS WG for their toxic socials, and the rest of DSA was lagging behind. But they convinced a lot of people in the end, they were really inspiring.

I'd rather not be fighting now to see them reinstated as a wg, since i voted for them in Chicago. but the NPC that punished them is also dramatically different, with a Marxist majority for the first time ever. The org is big enough to be nationally effective, but still small enough for a few determined and united cadres to steer. The proliferation of caucuses has already transformed the left wing of DSA. The org still has big problems but i stg I would never talk about other peoples work the way you and others have been. I hope its cathartic, I think it's crab bucket bullshit

No you're right I misread when you said there was only one dissenting vote, I thought it said there was only one member of DSA that was the only dissenting vote, which looked to me like you said something outrageous, then walked it back in the comments.

In other words, I'm sorry. You were right, but I'm still agitated by a lot of the comments in this post thread. Not that I think it should be removed, I guess I think its unfortunate how many people would just write off someone who should be a comrade, just because they belong to an organization they know very little about.

But I genuinely agree, DSA electeds not giving full throated support for Palestinian liberation at every opportunity is a dereliction socialist principles. It'll be interesting to see how ChiDSA will respond

"Procedurally dissolved" listen to yourself. The group still exists, it was just rolled into the international committee. And that's not why it was dissolved you goof. No one in DSA is on the side of Bowman. the vote was very close and it was a vote of almost 1000 socialists together, not some shady bullshit like the Bowman deal. We did vote for a measure to democratize the NPC, but the whole way you are framing it is really unmoored from reality.

This is such a weird comment in general.

This is so untrue, people were actually at the convention you know. Complete misrepresentation of the debate, probably from lack of understanding, or else correct me comrade