IceMan

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[–] IceMan@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Damn it, my client crashed twice when typing here and I don’t have the heart to retype my longish answer again.

I’ll be brief, sorry

my bad, I was typing examples of how introducing law deemed radical would have negative consequences and backlash from general populace, showing how politicians use tactics to not scare the public (e.g. distraction with 9/11 to introduce more spicy parts of patriot act or sloooow meddling with electoral rules and districts so that the voter gets bored) - I diverged to general world, this is about academia and higher ed, you’re right. Even more radical stuff could be introduced here as more vocal opposing groups simply don’t care and most conservatives treat higher ed as a lost cause of sorts

[–] IceMan@lemmy.one 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Your friends and even you yourself prepare constantly for the world that is not real - what you deem “real” it just your interpretation of what happened - which in most cases is not even correct (as you rarely know everything about other people, economy, or anything that’s happening). This image is nonsense. Elders’ advice can be good as well as advice of someone your age might be shitty.

Just think for yourself.

[–] IceMan@lemmy.one 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Thank you for an in-depth answer!

About lack of possibility to accommodate both pro-life and pro-choice: so to sum it up your stance is to force them out from academia? Pro-life believe abortion is murder - argument about “equitable society” is unlikely to convince somebody that it’s okay to kill in the name of it. At the same time same person can be all in for inclusion, diversity etc. Isn’t this the perfect example of perfect being enemy of good? Radicalization is going to make this and similar groups naturally fall into opposition if you keep forcing them out (and generate a lot of “martyrs” for the cause too). How is radicalization good here?

About compromise: I’d quote you my brother’s law professor:”What is the purpose of the law system? Justice? No! It’s to maintain the order, the system which makes everything work. It is to ensure predictability.” So are the compromises on eg. bodily autonomy morally justifiable from any perspective? No, both sides hate it. Both sides have politicians that want to be as realistic as possible to sway voters, change being just a side effect of the process.

I think what you propose (being more radical) is actually already slowly being implemented (again, by both sides) - problem is if both went with full on “we’re sure we’re right, we’ll make no step back” there would be a revolution or a civil war (no step back means also rapidly escalating reactions from opponents) and no one really wants that in political establishment or… any establishment really. Revolutions usually end in big changes one way or the other and if you’re already in establishment why risk it?

[–] IceMan@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago

Thanks for sharing, I’ll check out XMPP too - last time I checked was 10 years ago :D probably a lot has changed

[–] IceMan@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago

Alright, doesn’t mean it didn’t lower your attention span. Just that you’re less bored :D

[–] IceMan@lemmy.one -1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, as I wrote :) Ani-woke has another definition of what “woke” means.

[–] IceMan@lemmy.one 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

PC was used correctly too. Doesn’t word “woke” mean two diff iterent things to users supporting that and opposing? To these opposing it’s more clearly represented as “wokeism”, almost a religion that demands you obey it’s rules or be treated like a religious one heathen (as religions often do). To supporters it’s like you said - closer to “being aware of and concerned about social issues”.

[–] IceMan@lemmy.one 7 points 2 years ago

Yeah, there’s nothing said about being against in the comment you’re replying to. Just that changing the term to woke is not necessarily bad. Where did you take that from?

[–] IceMan@lemmy.one 7 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Why the switch to XMPP btw?

[–] IceMan@lemmy.one 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

How did you come to conclusion they weren’t (mostly) correct? The average attention span is getting shorter every generation, maybe they were right all along ;)

[–] IceMan@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

You’re proposing the progressive crowd to be more radical - do you have any views/proposed solution for people that do not see your way and are unlikely to - e.g. radical pro-life people (that tend to stick with right side on economic/education policies as, well, their world view doesn’t fit good with the left… even if some would gladly vote for more progressive economic policies).

So in your “ideal” scenario, which is it: a) No place for them in academia? I.e. force your will b) Let states decide? E.g. California implements some vanguard radical DEI policies while eg. Texas/whatever does it’s own thing and migration/ratings do the job. c) something else?

[–] IceMan@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago

Probably to underscore it is not widely known - same as one might say something like that in an actual conversation even if not asked “do you know X” before.

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