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I think that Stockholm Syndrome really is just taking one overarching and surface level "symptom" of a captive or subjugated person having "sympathy" for the one holding them captive or subservient, and just ascribing one monolithic brain prank to the whole thing when theres actually rather direct material reasons why it might happen in each individual case.

With hostage taking theres obviously the matter of the police/military threatening the hostages by not negotiating and instead using lethal force, with intimate partner abuse the person being abused often has no other way to provide for the basics of existence and has to rely on their abuser, who they presumably at one point did love and is now stuck with, thats more complicated than a short term hostage taking but the reasons largely dont particularly overlap.

Or like looking at cults which is another occurence of this, where you now actually have a communal occurence of abuse and often a complete ideological and cultural isolation from the outside world, this again is very complex and the overlap isnt that huge with the other cases. To suggest that all of this is fundamentally the same brain prank seems reductive at best and IMO it just comes off like people are holding on to an "established" conclusion and refusing to let it go.

It would be a serious stroke of luck for an obvious police discrediting campaign against a woman they endangered and left to die to actually have by happenstance revealed a fundamental cornerstone of psychology that actually is extremely valid and useful for every situation except the one it was invented for, that being short term hostage situations.

Insane to me to see people just play calvinball with their own made up bullshit.

"Oh Stockholm Syndrome isnt real? Actually its plainly obvious in thousands of abused women" like NO that is not what the fucking syndrome is about in the slightest what are you talking about? Stockholm Syndrome is when someone is hostile to you but you like them anyways?

And then also the fucking shit with like "Oh its not real? Then why does the FBI say it happens in 8% of kidnapping victims?" and its like, because there are made up criteria that claim to be the result of some actual hyperspecific situation in the brain, and sooner or later someone will correspond to those criteria but that doesnt validate the hypothesis behind it!

The sun actually setting doesnt validate the hypothesis that theres a guy pulling the sun on a chain to do it!

Modern Animal Farm spoof where farmer whatever(not googling to find out) confronts the animals and says they can either choose to be milk cattle with him or be treated like meat cattle by the next farmer that comes around.

I really dont think that you need to have someone who is Jewish make that verdict, its simply and obviously soft holocaust denial, if not even broader than that, but I dont know that we have a good term for "soft nazi denial."

Literally Olof Palme called the specific hostage who they invented Stockholm Syndrome for later on and told her that it was her duty as a bank teller to die at her post because the Swedish government categorically refused to negotiate.

Also basically every single quote from her that gets cited as Stockholm Syndrome is like, "The police shot at the robbers so they shot back, please stop shooting at the robbers for no reason", "If the cops storm the place and start a gunfight then we're all gonna end up dead, please dont storm the bank and just negotiate instead" and finally "The robbers are scared that if we the hostages all leave first, the cops are gonna go in and shoot them then claim self defense, please let the robbers leave first so all this can be over."

I have!

I thought it was great! It manages to replicate the vibes of the manga really well, and the actresses do a great job. Its more or less a distillation of the first two volumes, and they are making another season of it too.

The most recent volume of my fav lesbian romance manga(She Loves to Cook and She Loves to Eat) just introduced an asexual lesbian character(as well as one of the protagonists potentially exploring if she might be ace too) and that was a hugely pleasant surprise.

Extremely highly recommend the whole thing in general, its sort of a cooking manga like the title implies but its also a lot about bonding, mutual support, family relationships for queer people, different ways people relate to food etc.

Idk if it would, libertarians can think local governments are big government anyways and just a sneaky tool for little authoritarians to impose their will on their neighbors like ensuring that the water doesnt get poisoned.

Zionists already are.

Interesting how people keep leveraging the stockholm syndrome charge against the most clear cut and obvious cases of short term hostage taking for material concessions.

Obviously the original case was a bank robbery where the robbers took hostages to exchange for an escape route, but now we have Hamas taking hostages to exchange for supplies, temporary ceasefires, imprisoned Palestinians etc. When you take hostages like that you know that as far as you are concerned these people will be returning to their homes. You dont really have a reason to want anything from them except just basic calm and cooperation.

So in a situation like that you're most likely to just treat them as normally as circumstances allow, and if the holdup on an exchange is happening because "their" side is stalling or trying to "cut the knot" of the hostage situation then in this isolated space its obvious to the hostages whos the threat and whos trying to resolve the situation.

These specifics can change when you start changing the circumstances, such as if the hostages are taken also for interrogation of information, or you dont have a clear material goal in mind as the hostages are being taken, then the relationships and treatments will change, but in these pretty simple situations its just eminently understandable how basic human camraderie can create a positive relationship between hostage and hostage taker.

Edit: And of course as an opposite to this, Israel does not take hostages for the purposes of extracting concessions from Palestinians, they imprison Palestinians for the sake of imprisoning and disempowering Palestinians, whatever function they can have as hostages later is secondary, the cruelty is primary.

Its a funny cultural thing that in two separate places where I have talked about this, Americans(I assume) immediately talk about pickles, while my primary reference point for something that just wafts of dill is crayfish.

I dont think Ive ever actually seen a dill pickle here in sweden, its either all brine or with mustard seeds.

Am I going insane or is there some fucking industrial/shipping process or material that makes things smell like dill?

I worked in a warehouse for online shopping for about half a year and there was one aisle in particular that smelled so strongly of dill I assumed they were storing like crayfish or something there, but I brushed it off since there was tons of novelty shit there.

But now I got some fresh new guitar strings, ernie ball, nothing weird about them. Tear open the plastic and it smells of fucking dill again. Its fucking me up honestly.