GuyFleegman
joined 2 years ago
Heh, of course he did. It takes a real big brain to kill a community where the only rule is “there are no rules.” A big, smooth brain.
DO I?! DO I?!?
I don’t even have a last name!
You really do not want compare this place to /r/Star_Trek. I saw a lot of really hateful shit in that sub. It was hijacked by bigoted culture warriors almost immediately after being created. It was easily the Reddit focal point for "Discovery is too woke" discourse.
The lone mod for that place was a creepy weirdo who was completely oblivious to what being a responsible moderator entailed. He regularly left comments containing actual hate speech up due to a combination of being too incompetent to use Reddit's mod tools and too ignorant to understand that yes you actually do need to remove hate speech and slurs when you're in charge. The Reddit admins had more than enough justification to nuke it.
Absolutely agree. By far, the best part of The Orville is the worldbuilding. The Planetary Union is believable. The depiction and usage of future tech scratches the Trek itch. I like that it is unapologetically depicting a humanist utopia and is committing to that bit even harder than TNG did.
It's just too bad it uses that world for one-dimensional characters to play out muddled remixes of Berman-era Trek episodes.
Which perfectly illustrates the problem: The Orville is vaguely progressive by 1987 standards... in 2017.
There are dozens of us. Dozens!
The Orville is boring at best and tone deaf at worst. I'm genuinely surprised at how well received it seems to be among Trekkies. I generally find that my Star Trek tastes are uncontroversial and in alignment with Trekkie groupthink but I am apparently way outside the norm on this one.
It's the Galaxy Quest comparisons that really get me, though. A huge part of why Galaxy Quest is so great is how self-aware it is. The Orville has none of that. Just the opposite, in fact: it's totally unaware of how bad a job it's doing filling the shoes it's attempting to fill.
He definitely committed to the bit. 25 years later and there are still things I can’t unsee.
I'd definitely be willing to help this team do something with it! I think Discovery season 5 is a good opportunity to try and reboot it into something that compliments /c/TenForward.
Well then I guess the question is, what's the deal with lemmy.world/c/startrek? Almost all the posts are from the top mod who has been banned. Then there are two obvious troll posts. The one mod there mods a whole ton of communities and doesn't seem active there at all.
None of the startrek.website folks have been in contact with me, and even they were I'd tell them to go pound sand—it's great that VS & BT are finally experiencing some actual consequences for their poor conduct. Selfishly, I want a place where I can talk about Star Trek because I like Star Trek and those two keep ruining the places I want to hang out and talk about Star Trek in.
This has happened before, both on Reddit and Lemmy, but the problem with a bunch of loudmouths who make a splinter community is that you never know if those loudmouths have legitimate grievances or they're just reactionary dipshits who want to bitch about wokeness. Every previous time this has happened, the reactionary dipshits flooded in and ruined the splinter community before it could get off the ground. Things got stuck in this reinforcing loop where the situation was "well /r/startrek (and later startrek.website) are run by petty tyrants but at least they keep the bigots in check."
I was really hoping that I could steer startrek.website into being a fairer community than what came before, but there was just no receptiveness to feedback or open discussion over there whatsoever. I tried to warn them about how bad their reputation had become, but they didn't want to hear it and I got iced out pretty much immediately. I had just about accepted that Lemmy would be a repeat of Reddit in this regard and the largest Star Trek community would suck. So, this is great. Seriously.
Along those lines, serious question: is /c/TenForward going to host episode discussion for Discovery season 5 and future Star Trek? I saw you mentioned that the Lemmy.World admins cleaned up lemmy.world/c/startrek, do you know the new mod over there? Any plans to coordinate with them?
To put a finer point on it: you successfully rescued /c/risa from startrek.website, can the team you've created here extend that success and rescue /c/startrek as well?