Greenleaf

I have a longer comment about this in this thread, but personally I’m just glad to see the Zionist Shapiro eat shit. Of course I’m not saying the Democratic Party is now embracing Palestinian liberation, but it looks like winds are changing - not in principles, but in messaging. It’s starting to look to me that the DNC might actually be a bit afraid of the pro-Palestine movement, or at least recognize how deeply unpopular actions from recent months have been. Worth keeping an eye on is all.

Is it just me, or if Walz cut his hair a lot closer he would sorta resemble

When Biden was the candidate, I did not want him to win. Because if he did win, what that would signal is that you can openly commit a genocide and not pay a price for it. The movement for the liberation of Palestine in the US would not only lose the gains that have been made, but we would actually probably be rendered completely irrelevant for the next decade plus. The movement would be decimated.

But everything I have seen over the last ~6 weeks has shown me that the pro-Palestine movement has the Democrats and AIPAC scared. We are on the offensive. I don’t believe Biden’s dementia is what did him in. I think his pushing for genocide against the wishes of his base eroded his support with that base, and that’s why no one was there to stand up for him in the end.

You know AIPAC fully pushed for Shapiro. Because AIPAC, as an extension of the Zionist entity itself, is just as incapable of reading the room as the Zionist entity. Maximal support for Israel is demanded by them, no matter the cost. Support Israel even if costs you electorally. AIPAC needed to show who was in charge here, and they didn’t get their way. Now it could have been that Harris wanted Shapiro but the baggage got to be too much. But the reason itself doesn’t matter, what matters is that the public and democrat politicians saw that the Zionist guy got snubbed.

Which is why I want to see how Harris ends up campaigning on Gaza. If she ends up saying all the right things, while obviously I would want her to follow through… even if she doesn’t follow through but still wins, that’s a big win for us. That shows the democrats feel they need to at least bend a knee towards the cause of Palestinian liberation. It shows every other politician that even a god (the Israeli lobby) can bleed. I’m not in a swing state so my vote doesn’t matter and I have some other personal reasons for voting PSL, but if I was in a swing state I would at least keep the option open of voting for Harris/Walz with a fully sufficient platform regarding Gaza.

Full disclosure: I think there will be no revolutionary potential in the US without pressure from outside the country. In addition to the moral issues involved with Palestinian liberation, a free Palestine would be a major blow to US hegemony. So that’s one reason I prioritize it. I would vote for any politician who credibly pushed for the ending of the blockade against Cuba, for example.

Thank you for helping me understand this all much better.

I am seeing the point made in this thread that the many Ultra-Orthodox are opposed to Zionism or even the existence of a Jewish state.

Is that actually correct?

I was under the impression that outside of some commie-adjacent groups, there are virtually NO Israeli Jews who do not support Zionism.

There are Ultra-Orthodox sects outside of Israel that believe there should not be a Jewish state, but I was not aware of groups inside Israel that hold to that?

Like the Haredim, I was under the impression that they are every bit as Zionist as secular Israeli Jews if not more so, but that doesn’t mean they want to serve in the IOF. I thought their whole thing was that Israel is only held together by their devout commitment to studying the Torah and praying. And to force them to do anything other than studying the Torah means that Israel will incur God’a wrath. But in terms of killing Palestinians, they are a-ok with that.

Or am I completely wrong here?

Now that everyone has a decently good quality camera with them at all times, it’s easy to forget that photography is an art and being a pro at it requires talent, experience, and the right equipment. It’s a great photo because a professional was situated in the right place and got all the elements right - the angle, focus, aperture, framing, etc. Not an op.

Anyone else watching Olympic sailing? I’m actually digging the dinghy races. The humble Sunfish truly is the sailboat of the working class. Used to rent one back in the day for like $10 an hour, it’s actually a blast.

I don’t mean to be pedantic, but I wonder if “liquidated” means incapacitated or if it means dead.

I mean, I really want it to be the later, but I also don’t want to get my hopes up only to find out a bunch of these guys are actually alive but sitting at home with a broken wrist or something.

Like the old Enver Hoxha line, it was something like “Between us [Albania] and China, we make up a fifth of the world population”.

Michael Roberts has been saying for a while now that corporate debt and zombie companies will be the next big crash in the US (I think he’s right btw)

Gah that’s true, forgot that was how they left it.