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Society doesn't run on good vibes my guy

Also. You don't think the logic holds up well? That is literally how it works and how most countries do it.

Okay tell me, are you more motivated by the innate human desire to contribute to society and discover the universe, or by the innate human desire to contribute to society, discover the universe and a paycheck that will give you material benefits such as free time and luxuries too?

Yes companies profited off of public sector work. Strong protections for what a person creates is exactly the kind of thing IP law is. Again, the problem is weak public institutions being eroded and misused by companies, not the public institutions themselves.

You want to talk about Cuba aye. Lol. Lmao even. Tell me. What's Cuba's patent law like. Go on. I'll let you google it.

It's not exclusive. You can meet everyones needs and then say, "hey if you make some cool fucking shit we'll give you a little extra." Why insist on people doing good solely because they feel like it. Why not push people to be better.

We know what people do when their needs are met, they're called retirees. They don't provide a net gain of almost anything btw. Yes people will pick up rubbish off a beach out of the goodness of their hearts. But the amount of litter collected from philanthropy is not greater than the amount made. And it's a rounding error when compared to the amount of rubbish managed by garbage collectors.

IP laws are good precisely because they encourage people to create and discover even if all their needs are met. They compliment the selfless and persuade the selfish.

Oh boy here we go. What is a corporation? What does it mean for corporations to not exist? How exactly does that even work in practice?

Yes creative scientist invent things spontaneously without expectation of reward. But no scientist will contribute as much as a well funded and motivated team with a clear goal. And I'm sure all the scientists love it when you tell them they won't be credited for their work and literally anyone will be able to take their idea and do whatever they want with it, that'll do so much to help foster humanity's innate desire to learn and be creative.

And it's about coercing people who won't act in good faith with the system into doing so. Most people would keep a secret to make money especially if their livelihood depended on it. Why force creatives to choose between sharing their works and profiting from them?

Private companies don't need intellectual property. A corporation will steal your creation and outcompete you in profiting from it if given the opportunity. Intellectual property laws are what stop them from doing so. Again, the system has been eroded and misused by companies but at its core it protects workers and their labour.

You don't understand why people deserve the fruits of their labour? What are you on about bruh we're talking about the patent office. People need to be incentivised to work because all of the work needed to create the society of excess you so want to enjoy isn't all of the work people would do if left to their own devices.

It's all quite topical really

The middle east oil state meta claims another.

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People work for material gain. By not entitling creators to the product of their labour you will discourage them from creating (and also be stealing from them). Patent law is exactly the kind of thing that protects the interests of working people but our current system is too weak to stand up to corporations.

What happens if the person who can solve climate change decides instead to trade stocks because saving the world doesn't put food on the table?

IP laws are not your enemy, corporations are.

Patents are a good idea in every form of society. People are motivated by material rewards. By ensuring a creator is entitled to their labour and that some scum fuck corporation isn't going to steal it, society incentivises innovation. The problem isn't patents, it's corporations abusing the system to serve their own interests because public institutions (such as the patent office) aren't strong enough to push back.

The problem is with corporations pushing up against weak public institutions and finding no resistance not those public institutions dummy.

I feel like so many people don't understand the purpose of IP law.

So someone arranges some atoms for the first time, let's say they make a vaccine. Now the creator of that vaccine might be financially motivated to sell it for profit. If no IP law existed then the only way to ensure that they'd be able to profit from their arrangement of atoms is by keeping the way they managed to create it a secret. IP law is a social contract that says "hey, if you share this massively beneficial idea with the rest of society we'll make sure that you can make a profit off of it." In this way IP law incentivises creators to share their creations with society in a way that everyone benefits from.

The problem is with public institutions being eroded away by corporate interests not with the concept of IP law.

Also for anyone coming out with the "creators aren't profit motivated" bs. Yes they absolutely are. No it is not because of greed. Material success for people who have made contributions is the most valuable encouragement.