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Again, you're narrowing the discussion by focusing on this specific administration, my reasoning is general and should be referred to any presidency or state. These kind of authoritative behaviour can be enacted both by the left and the right, we should always be against them no matter what.

Questioning someone coming to your country makes no sense, if he has ill intentions he'll conceal them to enact on them once inside the country. The reasoning behind the questions you face entering a state is that, if you tell a lie, the state can arrest you for having commited a felony. What's the advantage in that if you have made yourself explode in a supermarket? You're gonna put bit and pieces of the terrorist in a cage for 40 years?

And what happen when the people questioning you find your answers to be not in line with the current political climate? When you're being detained in a separate room with no lawyer or witness capable of providing an independent account of the questioning and the consequent actions taken by the police? I personally am much more scared of state enforced violence rather than of citizen actions given the disparity in power these two type of violence entail.

All border questioning today usually take place in a well lit room full of other people keeping the law enforcement accountable and under scrutiny. If you don't think moving these kind of interactions in a closed room to be alarming or, at least, unprecedented I'm sorry to say you haven't thought about the extreme consequences this new policy may bring us to.

Lastly I return to my previous point: who has the right to identify a group of people as "terrorists"? Because if the answer is the same entity who then enforces the punishment against this group we are circular situation unacceptable for the legal standard we have set for our societies

So you're saying all documentarists and journalists who have been studying and interviewing people related to terrorist organisations should also be detained and questioned because interviewing someone is also supporting them? Or Anyone questioning the "terrorist" label, because questioning is supporting?

Beware of asking such restrictive reading of complex issues for your enemies, you can't always be sure to be on the side of the "good guys" and you might find sooner rather than later that your inability to understand the complexity of any matter could bring you behind bars with those who you felt were supporting a terrorist organisation

He hasn't had anyone from the Netanyahu administration on his stream. Maybe you're mistaking him with someone else

It also didn't mean that those who were wronged by the American state should have remained silent and peaceful in front of mass killings perpetrated by all kind of administrations leading the American government. Especially when no legal recourse was given to them.

Were you an Arab who lost his entire family under American bombardments because of the oil stored in your nation soil wouldn't you had wanted some kind of retaliation against that nation? Can you empathize at all?

Nobody's asking you to "give Hasan a pass" but we're asking you to see the Palestinian issue from the eyes of a neighbour who doesn't see any recourse from the international community against the heinous acts perpetrated by the Israeli regime and the IDF against civilians in Gaza and other regions nearby. If nobody punishes a bully am I a bully myself if I intervene to defend the bullied person? I personally don't think so, especially if the teachers and the principal constantly side with the bully against the bullied.

This will never sit well with me, I'll personally take matters into my own hands anytime I see a situation where someone powerful acts against someone poor, especially when the institutions tasked with defending those who aren't powerful sit in a corner fiddling their fingers and not acting in line with their declared objectives.

This being said I despise any kind of religious extremism (any religion at all in fact, but I don't expect everybody to become atheist all of a sudden. I completely expect everybody not to be an extremists tho) so I also despise the founding reasons of Hamas, the houtis, the islamic brotherhood or any other religious organisation. But still I understand and justify their reasons for being in a fight against Israel.

I don't understand and I don't justify the stances of international organisations which should be defending the Palestinian people and who are the cause why I have to support religious extremists in this specific context (looking at UN aggressively)

There's no concept of "casual bigotry" as there's no "ranked bigotry". A bigot is a bigot the same way as a nazi is a nazi even if he only shares a meal with other known nazis.

No amount of sane washing can change their nature, only re-education and facing consequences for their choices will.

It's time to stop being polite and understanding with people who have no sense of community or care for others around them, keeping this attitude will never solve the problem. If you show mercy to this people they will continue to resent you while feeling as victims of an unjust system (in their eyes) and will continue to spread their worldview to their spawn presenting it as a "counterculture" to the mainstream way of life keeping this circle of hate and victimisation alive.

We have to break the circuit by showing to their faces why they aren't adapt to be living among us and we need to be clear in our messaging, otherwise any small window we will leave they will use it to maintain their positions and preach their gospel of hatred.

It's useless man, people are just looking at their finances and their fake freedoms (I can choose between McDonald's and Popeye what to eat!!! Muh freedom!!!) to understand that they've lost their actual freedoms with the patriot act and a series of sweeping changes to the rule of law due to the "war on terror" the USA have brought on since the start of the 2000s. Before that it was an all out attack against economic freedoms, starting with the cancellation of the differentiation between investment and saving banks until the loss in regulations against malpractices brought forward by corporations.

The best slave is the one who think he is free because he won't fight back under no circumstances. They cannot see any chains on their wrists but are unable to see the (always shorter) leash around their neck. And they would die defending their masters, thinking to be fighting the good fight.

We can just try to present our position as clearly as possible, we could be opening the eyes of someone reading our comments and that's all that matter.

Keep on keeping on dude

Those people are not leftists, they are children who never grow out of their egoistic phase and are unable to see the world through any other point of view than theirs. They want it all and they don't care about other human beings, especially if those are not in their "tribe" or "family". They see life as a zero sum game where if they see someone gaining something this must mean they are loosing something else of the same value.

They need to be excluded from society and reformed if they wish to return to be a part of it. I'm not blaming them, I'm calling for their punishment and exclusion from any and all part of a just society, independent from them being lied to or not. You can be fooled only for so long if you don't want to know the truth; if you are still being fooled after decades of lies you're not being lied to, you want to be lied to and this, to me, makes you as culpable as the one telling you you his lies. Why could there be so little "reformed" maga today if this wasn't the case? (And be careful, those who today say to have understood the pain inflicted by this administration we're only able to do so because they were the recipient of such pain. Would Trump not have messed with the prices of their trinkets they would still be foaming at the mouth at his rallies)

We tried to re-educate nazis here in Europe after WW2 but, as you can see from the most recent election results, this has not bore any fruit. Nazis don't understand reason, they only understand violence and strength. The sooner you realise you have more in common with a bonobo than with a nazi the sooner you'll realise they deserve nothing but scorn, contempt and a massive dose of violence to be kept in place.

Then your comment was such a load of shit that it was removed from a moderator. Either way the original comment we were replying to is no longer with us so I cannot tell the point you were arguing about in it, I inferred its contents from the first reply by NoneOfUrBusiness and the citations he provided with it.

Furthermore your reply to NoneOfUrBusiness answer to your original post was just a "no, you're wrong and I'm right". Such a level of discussion, you must be a sage in your community. If your community is a kindergarden .

Lastly you can have opinions, too bad they are shit opinions not supported by facts