Cowbee

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

You're literally on one of the alternatives. FOSS is a rejection of the profit motive, and individual ownership of Capital. It is, quite literally, an anticapitalist statement. Are you under the impression you're on Reddit?

Money doesn't need to come from Capitalists, and again, Capitalists aren't doing the innovating. That's like saying the bread baker that fed the Engineer is doing the innovating, because without the bread baker, the Engineer couldn't innovate. Of course humanity is interlinked, no one man is an island, but that doesn't mean labor performed by one person is actually labor performed by another.

I'll make it simple for you, and give you 2 choices.

Factory 1: Capitalist owner, non-owner workers. The only voice workers have is to either get a new job, or unionize.

Factory 2: Workers are the owners, and thus production is democratized. One of the workers is elected as a manager, and may be stripped of power by the rest of the workers at any time.

Which one is better?

To circle back: what you listed is a very, very narrow vision of what Socialism can mean. Socialism is Worker Ownership of the Means of Production, and can be just as varied as Capitalist organization. Are you going to say that Sweden is the same as Pinochet's Chile, just because both were/are Capitalist? Absurd.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (15 children)

Depends entirely on the context. Framed like that? Probably not a Nazi, but I wouldn't dare make judgement without knowing what actually transpired.

Might be a hot take, but the idea that the word "Nazi" is thrown around like it's nothing is actually overblown, and usually it's correctly thrown.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Engineers and Scientists are workers, not Capitalists. Capitalists are owners.

You're quite literally on the explicitly leftist, anti-capitalist alternative to Reddit. Instead of a centralized, closed, Capitalist system filled with ads, you're on a federated, decentralized, openly shared platform that deliberately rejected the profit motive and Capitalistic development for its own innovation.

Did it legitimately never occur to you that FOSS is a leftist structure? Right now, you're using an example of anticapitalist innovation.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

Love em. Peak Capitalist innovation! By shipping a 99% complete product for a low price, you can gain a large user base. Then, you make it addictive as fuck and add pseudo-gambling, to take advantage of people likely to routinely make small purchases. Then, all you need to do is spend a fraction of dev time on new skins or stickers, and make obscene profit!

What, you don't like living in the modern orphan crushing machine, designed to commodify literally every second of your existence? Are you some kind of radical? Spooky!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Yep, for these people Capitalism is the only thing that has ever existed and is the only thing that will ever exist, so there's no point in advocating for better, as it can't be better. Real "end of history" neoliberal bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nazis are evil. Simple.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Why? You keep trying to dodge that your central point is that people should stop saying Nazis are bad, because the US exists. It's absurd and nothing more needs to be said, you aren't willing to engage in fair or meaningful convo

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Yep, fucking terrifying.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

On an individual level, this is possible. At an aggregate? No.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (5 children)

When one becomes a Nazi, they cease to be able to be considered good.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Those aren't the only alternatives, lmao. Do you think humans stop innovating if they share tools and democratize production, rather than having a bunch of unaccountable mini-dictators?

Do you think the Capitalists are the ones who innovate, or is it the Engineers and Scientists that do?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (15 children)

I'll make it simple for you: Nazis are bad.

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