Cowbee

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

By contributing to the building up of the productive forces. Fuck this stagnation bullshit, invest in infrastructure and urbanization, invest in clean energy, and automation. Cut out meaningless jobs.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago

"Best?" Of course not, that's not how the 2 party system works. We don't live in some meritocracy, Capital is what makes the gears turn. The system is designed to change as little as possible.

That's why Unionization and organization at a grassroots level is the only way to move America meaningfully to the left, vote Dem to keep fascists out of office while actually doing the hard work yourself on the ground.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

It's extremely condescending towards leftists from a vague sense of liberal superiority, like an out of touch talk show host or establishment dem.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Exactly. There's one terminally online radlib here that I blocked because they were just shit-slinging for daring to suggest both voting Biden and unionizing, organizing, protesting, etc. As a leftist, we must work from without the Democratic party.

Speaking purely from a leftist perspective, I'm actually of the opinion that Anarchist principles of building up parallel structures actually may be more applicable to the American political climate, even if you're more of a Council Communist, Libertarian Socialist, Marxist-Leninist, etc. The US is seeing rising Unionization, and dramatic impacts from it, so I think Syndicalism actually has some revolutionary potential, unlike waiting for a Vanguard Party a la MLism.

Just my 2 cents.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Hence my original point, leftists must vote for liberals, even if it isn't ever going to improve the system, and must work themselves to build up leftist structures without hoping for help from liberals. If they don't vote, then fascists take power, and leftists lose the chance to build leftist structures at all.

I do think you're too hopeful that a 2 party Capitalist state designed to change as little as possible would meaningfully improve from within, rather than under pressure from without, but it would be great if you were right about that.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm sorry, neither myself nor those I care about are privileged enough to both support the status quo by voting Democrat without also organizing and unionizing. Unlike privileged liberals like yourself, many people are struggling and can't afford what they need, or are targeted by fascists for being a sexual, ethnic, or gender minority.

I won't apologize for saying that it's not enough to vote Democrat alone, and that people should both vote Democrat and make meaningful change on the ground via Unionization, organization, and education.

Pick one: wash your hands, or wipe your ass?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (3 children)

No, you terminally online radlib.

A) shift the Overton Window to the left via grassroots movements such as Unionization, organizing, setting up networks of mutual aid, building parallel structures, and advocate for others to do the same, while plugging your nose and voting Democrat to keep fascists out of office, LIKE I SAID IN THE ORIGINAL POST.

B) do whatever the fuck you're doing, and try to encourage voter apathy while absolutely railing against anyone even suggesting both voting democrat and unionizing.

I pick option A, both denying Trump and also shifting the Overton Window to the left. You pick option B, doing absolutely jack shit while screaming online and also voting Democrat, leaving America an increasingly far-right state with nothing to to show for it in several years time.

Touch grass.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Both are important, and you don't get to only pick one. You can do both, prevent fascism and genocide, while also building up leftist structures like unions and networks of mutual aid.

That's like asking you if you're going to wipe your ass after you shit or wash your hands, and saying you can only pick 1. This is the absolute dumbest "would you rather" and should be ignored and tossed in the trash.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (12 children)

Reread the original comment. It's absolutely important to vote as loss prevention, but you're never going to get meaningful systemic change towards the left via voting.

Vote to protect, actually make grassroots movements like unionizing and organizing to move to the left.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Can't do much without a mass party to back you up. It takes a lot of people.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (14 children)

Reread the original comment. It's absolutely important to vote as loss prevention, but you're never going to get meaningful systemic change towards the left via voting.

Vote to protect, actually make grassroots movements like unionizing and organizing to move to the left.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (12 children)

There's no chance they'd ever let an actual Socialist into office within the 2 party Capitalist system.

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