BlameThePeacock

It is a regular occurrence. Regular enough that it's been reflected in popular media for decades. They even make entire movies about "boy gets rejected by popular girl, boy transforms himself to win her over, boy decides he doesn't need her anymore because she's mean"

Are you honestly so naive that you think those initial rejections don't happen in real life? Everyone saw them at high school, and everyone saw them even more on social media when said girl spreads it around to cyberbully the boy even more. It's been more than 20 years since I was at high school, and even when we didn't have cellphones that shit still happened, and it didn't stop at University either.

If you walk up to random people in a cafe, park, or embankment (really?) and ask for their numbers, you could get a positive response, but it's equally likely that a women (or even a group) will start yelling at you for doing so.

That's what I'm saying about nowhere to ask safely. Some women will be totally fine with being approached, and others will not, but there is ZERO way to indicate to others that information.

We need to bring back the whole gay handkerchief system and adapt it to the whole population, If everyone wore an accessory or object that indicates your willingness(or not) to be approached it would make the whole situation 100% better. Like a stoplight party, but all the time and with slightly less impact on your whole wardrobe.

And you're so far down a path that you think getting laughed at is an acceptable response to someone asking you out.

Which one is more toxic?

You're using anecdotal data, I have actually heard a woman say "why won't he just ask me out" and that isn't useful data either.

It keeps coming up in dating studies though, which are useful, and frequently point out that women are complaining or confused about why it's happening.

Men are more and more frequently getting in trouble for even just asking, which means they need to stop entirely or risk getting in trouble.

Either women take responsibility for asking the men out, or accept that they're not going to get asked out except by assholes who ignore the risks and are statistically upsetting a lot of women before they succeed.

You're just plain wrong. I've seen men yelled at for asking politely in "acceptable" social situations.

You can pretend it's not happening, but that doesn't change the fact that it occurs regularly.

The problem isn't that No isn't being respected, it's that women are getting offended at even being asked.

Nobody said they have to accept the advances. I'm saying that by restricting those advances in general, it should put the onus on women to make the advance. They can't ask men to stop asking everywhere, then complain or be confused when men aren't asking them out and this is something that is actively happening right now.

The social expectation was that the man approaches, but now enough women have said that isn't acceptable in so many situations that it's no longer safe to do so in practically any situation.

Now men who want a relationship can essentially only find one by either being an asshole and asking when they shouldn't, or using a dating app which is a massive waste of men's time.

You just made it worse, you're saying that there's nowhere a man can ask safely.

Like I said, it should be mandatory for women to be the one to approach at this point.

Also, if you're ugly or poor, it's always unwanted and disrespectful. Whether or not you're ugly or even poor is up to them not you, so you have no way to ever know beforehand.

Women in general have made this so fucking difficult for men that it really should be mandatory for them to approach us at this point just to avoid issues.

I'm married, but worried about my sons getting in trouble for ever trying to approach a woman outside of a bar at this point, it seems the only place where asking a girl out randomly is still allowed at this point.