Azal

Look, I'm kind of an outsider on this conversation because until we get a DaVinci for mechanical work, I'm never going to be WFH, but there's something interesting I've noted with all my programmer friends.

The industrial world, that's where unions are, they're getting pulled out but that's the places unions live. The people working in stores are starting to push hard on unions. My industry, biomed, hasn't really gotten unions off the ground, but it's rumbling. We're a small industry that's so short on people it's just easier to move jobs than start a union, but we're a mix of tech and industrial backgrounds. But the programming tech backgrounds, at least here in the midwest, is apparently so anti-union I don't know how it'd get off the ground from what I'm hearing from my friends. Their coworkers who are mad about RTO will immediately turn around and say the corporate lines about unions. I'm honestly kinda baffled and hope your industry gets it figured out.

In movies, they live in the same era, but in genres the Scifi genre was ironically so behind the times that they were still learning back then.

Scifi and Fantasy as genres were not, and hell pretty much not until the 2000s accepted as proper forms of art back then. I was talking about with my dad how there was some movie that came out and I just couldn't be faffed to see it and he remarked I've gotten that way about it, and I expressed back when I was a kid growing up in the 90s, we got one, maybe two big budget scifi or fantasy movies, and the rest was handfuls of low end drech. The rest was standard comedy, drama, etc in "modern" or past eras and that's where all the big names of Hollywood were at. For him it was even worse, if you were a scifi nerd you basically got whatever you could get.

Star Trek came out and told the world that Scifi could be successful, Star Wars showed up and told the world that it could be successful without everything being gleaming and polished and sterile like Star Trek. Hell I was about to bring up the absolutely wooden example of Buck Rogers in the 25th Century as a perfect example of before, and then a quick check, nope that was made two years AFTER Star Wars.

It's probably why we have as many actually A-List scifi movies, and the hose of not so good ones, coming out now though, a lot of people growing up on these shoulders just wishing for more are now behind the cameras and the actors who grew up on these are willing to do them instead of "No, that's for the C-List actors."

So as an anime fan I'll give a hint on terminology if you want to take an approach at it. What you're talking about is the genre Shonen which is targeted for boys in school, roughly translates even to "young boy." Because of that it's the ones that you have a group that's relatively easy to cater to... hence drag on for ever and ever like US comic books. There are a LOT of genres in anime like there are in western tv and it'll still be a YMMV because completely different culture, but because of the medium there are still some small studios that are willing to do some stories that are difficult to get in western media because it's too risky for corporations (granted that's been less the case with streaming coming out)

The number one that I'm sure anyone would recommend if you want to make an attempt is Cowboy Bebop because it's a good blend of western sensibility, it's a noir in being a group of down on their luck bounty hunters in space, set to a jazz, blues and rock soundtrack and has a good English dub from an era back when that was rare. And importantly, the story ends.

Why don’t we turn the world into a real life Mad Max while we’re at it.

Have you been around the car culture?

I'll disagree having come in as a complete outsider to the demographic for that movie who only watched it because of the love it had. I was pretty damn impressed with the movie as an overall. The story, yea, you're not wrong, it's not absolutely worldbreaking of a message. But it's one of those movies the work put in to it impressed me, in a time where CGI allows for cookie cutter movies to be made rapidly with green screens knowing the work behind it was fucking impressive to me. Also knowing how much they worked on the history of the IP, and getting the company to try to make a movie that called out its own product as problematic while celebrating it in an era where everyone is too timid and wants to make every movie palatable for everyone, or "family friendly" was ballsy as fuck and I'll respect it.

But hey, I'm a cinema nerd who loves the weird lol, I respect your thoughts and you're right, the baseline message didn't say anything new to me.

I grew up small town America, older Millinial, I'm the demographic for that movie.

I couldn't finish the movie.

Honestly at this point I think he's saying whatever he can to continue funding his submarine hobby.

See, I'm baffled by this one, now I've only seen the first movie so maybe there's something in the second I don't know about in world building. But the first, the world building was to me... meh? Okay, the alien planet was interesting, they have a culture, they seemed to do a fine job with that, cool. But the story makes humanity so blitheringly stupid that I cannot comprehend the worldbuilding beyond "We need some Captain Planet level villains." They're after unobtanium, a mineral that has properties for anti-gravity and wrecking havok on radar. Soooooo.... We're going to work hard on inserting someone to convince the locals to dig up under the religious tree for the major vein of it instead of the MULTIPLE floating mountains all over the place.

Which then when the military decides to do its thing, this spacefaring species uses glorified helicopters that fly lower and slower than modern military aircraft, again through the mountains of unobtainium in a low altitude approach for a strike operation that only makes sense if the enemy has radar... which the aliens definitely did not. I seriously might have missed something but I couldn't get past humanity in it was just carrying the idiot ball throughout the movie.

Also interesting when someone’s reasons for hating something are someone’s reason for loving it. Like a review says “It’s full of sad gay shit” and one chunk of people are going to boo and the other are going to perk right up.

I love this! I joked on a music album with a group is that we all liked it but not a single one of us could agree on a favorite song, I was like "That's as successful as you can ask for for a band." because you learn a lot about everyone with that. I don't enjoy the "it sucks" commentary because it's nothing to work with to understand where people are coming from, at least "Boring" helps get an idea from someone.

But you expressed 100% why I love this thread.

So dunno if it will help, I'm a fan of it so YMMV, but Fury Road is one of the few movies that writing credit went to a storyboard artist. That's why it's actually so quiet on dialogue is they wrote it out with visual clues to avoid such so you're forced to pick up the visual interactions on the characters. Basically it's a comic in motion.

Now if you see t his and go "nah", understandable! It's why I like that movie but I went in knowing they were doing something different so I ended up loving it.

THANK YOU! I've constantly called it "Fern Gully as reinacted by Starship Troopers and the Dragonriders of Pern"

Huh... weirdly this makes me want to go watch this movie.

Somehow you well expressed Barnum's legacy in a manner that makes the movie seem like an accidental critique on him and that's funny.